03-25-2023, 11:48 AM | #29 |
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I don't believe anyone tries to hide the fact that petroleum isn't clean energy, but Gov and everyone else would love to pretend that EV's are. That's kind of the point he was getting at. Everyone tries to sell you the fact that EVs are "clean energy" There not...
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03-25-2023, 01:35 PM | #30 | ||
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Now the Tesla Model S Plaid with its 3 motors and 1020hp fixes all that and still has a single speed transmission. Watch this pull. Silly fast.
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I have a CT4V Blackwing now which addresses some of the Camaro visibility and practicality issues but keeps the fun factor with alpha 2 chassis handling, tremec 6 speed, mag ride, exhaust/drive modes, etc. I wait and see what Dodge, Chevy, Cadillac come up with. If they build a desirable performance EV with great handling dynamics, styling, tech, etc. then I would be open. If they are a bunch of overpriced duds then I may look at a Mustang Dark Horse if I get bored of the Blackwing. They will need to do more than just release a basic EV sedan/coupe. They need to play to their strengths with chassis dynamics and handling. I would like to see a performance RWD only version and put a motor on each wheel since their is typically no LSD/E-diff in EVs. A two-3 speed transmission would be interesting but it would add weight, cost and complexity. If they give it enough power it won't need it.
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03-25-2023, 02:34 PM | #32 |
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I am not paying these crazy prices for any EV. 30K is about the max i wanna spend on anything. Only EV i would think of buying is a small S10 size 2 door pickup with at least 350 to 450hp. I would sell the C6 for that. Other than that there is no other car i care to buy.
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03-25-2023, 04:40 PM | #33 |
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If this was how every oil rig/drill/pipeline operated, oil would be long gone over 100 years ago. While the mines that extract the lithium look bad, it's the cleanup of the chemicals after they're used up that causes the negative environmental impact.
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03-25-2023, 04:54 PM | #34 | |
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Lets also not forget that to charge your EV will come from an additional fuel like Petroleum, Natural gas or coal. Lets also not forget is we have no clue how to dispose of these used batteries as they too are highly toxic to the environment. |
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03-25-2023, 05:20 PM | #35 |
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Ask 100 voters what products are created from petroleum and maybe 10 will be able to name something besides gasoline. Most people are low information emotional voters so it feels like a losing cause. Elections have consequences ...
Took a 3 hour cruise through Corpus, Mustang Island and Port Aransas this morning and I got more thumbs up than ever before so maybe there is still some hope. No EV could match the experience of the supercharged V8 stuffed in this ZLE. Last edited by Palutz; 03-25-2023 at 05:40 PM. |
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My experiences are the same. Also after 60 My Camaro is faster than it which I managed to confirm and my LT1 hit the curves better than the Model 3 Performance I drove a couple years ago. While I am no longer in a position/opportunity to get to drive lots of vehicles like I used too I doubt this will change my thoughts until Tesla comes out with a new gen that is and changes it up to where it fixes these areas. There was a time when I was open to EVs but when it is crammed down my throat that is when I become defiant. I am keeping my Camaro with my technical no how and friends I can keep this sucker going for a very long time. In 2028 my 40th birthday a Mustang will join it in the stable assuming the wife and I don't need anything else vehicle wise or Chevy actually has another ICE Camaro (which we all probably doubt). Well a truck is needed but that is the goals. Whatever manufacturer sells ICE or exceptions can be made for a Hybrid that does not need to be charged I will buy from them. |
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So to be honest, an EV will not likely give you vroom vroom sounds or the vibration of a high performance engine. But it will handle, it will be fun to drive and it will have character. And sorry for the anit EV crowd, it will be cleaner overall. And other than vroom vroom sounds (Stelantis has a fix lol) engieers are working every single day to fix the remaining complaints of EVs and LiION batteries. ICEs? There is no pay back for inventing anything at this piont. EVs? Payback for inventing any improvements is HUGE. So as an engineer, I am highly confident that engineers will address everything but the NVH issue.
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03-25-2023, 08:21 PM | #39 |
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How much is a Plaid? and where is the drop top EV?
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03-25-2023, 08:41 PM | #40 | |
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With regards to the batteries, this has been disproved many many times. There is a growing business in battery recycling. The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) provides funding for construction of EV battery recycling facilities. These recycling facilities will also significantly reduce the amount of “fresh” lithium, cobalt, nickel, et cetera required in battery manufacture. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/27/lith...-from-doe.html It’s pretty safe to assume that all the obvious “here’s why EVs will fail” scenarios have already been examined by people who get paid good money to resolve those issues.
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I'd rather be seen is this than a Tesla Plaid EV..... https://cdn3.volusion.com/wnwed.cenk...che=1499791203 Last edited by Casper the friendly G; 03-25-2023 at 09:11 PM. Reason: jh |
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