08-06-2017, 11:59 PM | #1 | |
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Summit Point with ZL1 and DSC Sport Review
Busy weekend at Summit Point with Chin Motorsports. I was driving my 99 miata and ZL1 as well as instructing and was on track every session for 2 days, pretty wore down Summit is a very fun track, even being in my home state i have one been 3 times in the last 10 years.
The Zl1 was very good on the track for a shorter/tighter track. Temps stayed good with the trans as i paddle shifted it myself both days. The auto mode works very well but there are times its pulls a shift now and again that i don't like in certain areas. The more I get used to the car the more i like shifting because its more predictable. Best time day one was a 1:22.44 that was the sessions before noon. By the 4th session the best i could get the predictor to was mid to high 1:22's and 1:23's Tom Chan from DSC was there and brought the DSC Sport controller for me to try, got it hooked up and ran the last open session day one with it. Conditions was worse on track than in the morning as it was hot and a bit more greasy on the factory tires. Predictive lap timer was showing high 1:21's to my surprise but only ended up with a 1:23.16 because of traffic, there is alot of traffic in the open session at the end of the day, session before was higher with 1:23's with the afternoon heat around 88 degrees but couldnt get the car down past the high 1:23s . Day 2 I figured I would focus on getting into the 1:21's after seeing the predictor and was pretty sure i could get there. Sure enough first session in the morning on laps 4 and 5 as posted on the video was a 1:21.77 and the next lap a 1:21.46. For me the DSC Controller makes the car feel more planted and stable everywhere on track. It's not something that is a massive change in feel but you can feel it and it changes the dynamics. The largest thing it does is makes the car more stable and confidence inspiring, which means faster laps. It was around a second a lap faster with everything else being the same. That alone is a massive improvement on a 1:21 lap. The software and tuning capabilities are pretty amazing and something that you cant do with a mechanical suspension. There are plenty of videos of how it works or you can call the guys at DSC to explain it. Controller is still in my car so ill do some street driving and report back. |
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08-07-2017, 12:24 AM | #2 |
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Stock tires? Looked to be prettt hooked up. Nice driving.
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08-07-2017, 12:24 AM | #3 |
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It was nice meeting you yesterday, I walked through the pits and talked to you for a minute about the car. I was with my wife and kids. We watched for a while from the grandstands after we spoke and the car looked pretty good on track. Pretty sure I have a video or two of your car passing by. PM me if you'd like a copy of it
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08-10-2017, 09:37 AM | #6 |
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Here is the AIM data below from the fastest lap with the stock magnaride controller and the dsc controller. The lap time difference was 1.34 faster with the dsc controller. For those who don't know what they are looking at this is an overlay of both laps, the black line is the stock controller the red line the dsc. The very bottom chart you will see the red line straight and the black line climbing, that is the areas where time is made between the two laps. In lat g's the dsc was higher by a difference of .19 g's right hand turns and .07 the left hand turns, which at summit there isn't many left hand turns. In Lon G's Braking was .07 g's higher and acceleration was .12 g's higher with the dsc. This not sounding like alot is quite a bit, it results in getting thru the turns faster and putting down the power sooner an nets a faster lap time. The DSC was ran on day 2 the temps both days was nearly equal and both of these fastest laps was ran on the second session around 11:30. Even as the day went on the DSC controller was faster in the afternoon sessions than the stock controller was in the afternoon sessions by around a second plus as the tires and track heated up even more.
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08-10-2017, 11:48 AM | #7 |
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The DSC Controller is the absolute best mod for the Corvette and Camaro. I love that you can have a really plush ride in tour mode and then turn it to track mode and have extremely stiff suspension. Also did you notice if the car was able to put power down better? A lot of the Z06 guys with the controller said they were able to get on the throttle much sooner and the felt like it could put power down better.
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08-10-2017, 01:30 PM | #8 |
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Car looks pretty hooked up. Have you noticed any positive/negative effects on the PTM modes or any changes in the balance of the car on mid corner and corner exit? I am curious if changes the actual balance of the car or ifs the same thing just now more stiffly sprung. Im considering the controller for my 1LE...
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08-10-2017, 04:51 PM | #9 |
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Do the on screen modes show differences with the new module? If so, which new mode did you run?
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08-10-2017, 05:12 PM | #10 |
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Were these both ran in the same driving mode? Great info, Thanks. EDIT: Please cross post this to the suspension sub-forum. |
08-10-2017, 05:17 PM | #11 |
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Brilliant review, bravo! Great to hear it improves confidence right out of the box.
I do find it interesting however, it appears the DSC V2 settings are losing time in every braking zone. Any insight to that. Worst case, stock ZL1 settings can be applied to brake-centric aspects of the tune. Another question: why is your braking g-force so low? Is this because of the stock pads?
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Thank you for your feedback. Also, holy crap you're on-track a lot! Do you have time for a day job?
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