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CreeperRS · 03-13-2015, 06:46 PM

I believe the higher hp numbers are due to the fact that 14-15 1LE's have electronic steering, 1 pulley less to rob hp.

The Captain · 03-13-2015, 08:07 PM

My 1LE is a 2013 and also has electric power steering. I noticed it does seem like its has more pull than the non-1LE 2SS I test drove. Given GM's history of understating HP for insurance purposes it wouldn't surprise me if there was something extra in the LS3 in the 1LE; just not sure how to check if something like performance heads and/or cam was added from the factory.

z3R0fo01 · 03-13-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Captain

My 1LE is a 2013 and also has electric power steering. I noticed it does seem like its has more pull than the non-1LE 2SS I test drove. Given GM's history of understating HP for insurance purposes it wouldn't surprise me if there was something extra in the LS3 in the 1LE; just not sure how to check if something like performance heads and/or cam was added from the factory.

Gears. But yes it looks like the 1LE is has between 10-20 whp more power.

Drm2Reality · 03-13-2015, 10:59 PM

Is it just me or does any one find it odd or comical that GM's own performance part voids the warranty?

If I am paying a premium for a GM part I would only do it if GM did not void the warranty!

Kind of crazy to me!

z3R0fo01 · 03-13-2015, 11:10 PM

Yes very comical. I see their performance line like I see all that crap a dealership that they try to sell you. Or like the stuff at auto zone. Ford is better with Ford racing and Roush, but I still would go with aftermarket. I guess SLP did work with chevy to extend warranty if you get their basic supercharger kit. I think you can also get a warranty on chevy performance parts if the right place installs it. I think I have heard of packages that are warrantied, but it still a rip off.

I guess some of the stuff is for people that pay sticker price.

*The_Blur* · 03-13-2015, 11:32 PM

Chevrolet Performance makes outstanding parts. The only real complaint I have is that they are not priced in line with aftermarket parts. GM has a tendency to hold the line when it comes to price and the "value" argument—basically, their stuff is better or comes with more features, like its own warranty, quality design, or other features—and that has resulted in a sort of cockiness in aftermarket parts pricing over the years. Because they claim to have better value, they justify pricing among premium parts manufacturers even though the gains may be much more humble. It directly has hindered their image and sales. If they can justify taking in less money in profit, they'll get more sales, thus building up their performance brand. The added visibility will pay dividends in the long haul, especially with a new generation just over the horizon.

Of course, who listens to me about this? I'm only a performance enthusiast with some common sense.

Mikamaro · 03-14-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Captain

It occurs to me that the article I read, where Chevy engineers retrofitted parts form the 1LE in addition to the cam/head kit, to demonstrate an Ultimate Street Camaro : Well that was to a "standard" SS model. I wonder if the cam/head kit could already be factory installed on the 1LE version of the LS3 ?? Anyway to check and find out ??

You can get it at chevy performance...*

Check it out:
https://youtu.be/P1hy-BMiJds

Turbosaurus · 03-14-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by z3R0fo01

Gears. But yes it looks like the 1LE is has between 10-20 whp more power.

^^^^^

The lower gears definitely give a stronger pull in 1-3. Now if only they would update the traction control to work better with that low 1st gear...

The Captain · 03-14-2015, 10:21 AM

I viewed the youtube video for the LS3/480 and LS3/525 and from what the Chevy guy says you can wring up to 480 or 525 HP from a stock LS3 with a cam change with a related tune. Thats the kind of thing I keep wondering if GM did at the factory already for the 1LE and just doesn't say 'cause they don't want to re-certify the LS3 in the 1LE package. Guess without opening up the engine in my 1LE there is no way to know for sure.

Mikamaro · 03-14-2015, 10:25 AM

The 1le has the same LS3 found in the SS. Its the 3.91gearing and 285/35 sticky tires that makes it faster

Turbosaurus · 03-14-2015, 10:47 AM

If GM changed anything like that in the LS3 and didn't re-certify (especially for emissions) the gestapo EPA would be all up in their ****. Doubt they would take that chance.

MS3DALE · 03-14-2015, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Captain

It occurs to me that the article I read, where Chevy engineers retrofitted parts form the 1LE in addition to the cam/head kit, to demonstrate an Ultimate Street Camaro : Well that was to a "standard" SS model. I wonder if the cam/head kit could already be factory installed on the 1LE version of the LS3 ?? Anyway to check and find out ??

No,same LS3 as all SS's

MS3DALE · 03-14-2015, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drm2Reality

Is it just me or does any one find it odd or comical that GM's own performance part voids the warranty?

If I am paying a premium for a GM part I would only do it if GM did not void the warranty!

Kind of crazy to me!

Not all GM Performance Parts voids the factory warranty,it specifies in the catalog which do and which do not.

CreeperRS · 03-15-2015, 03:43 PM

I notice they mentioned a Torzen diffential, I think that is worth looking into. I recall reading somewhere that our differtial has clutches and Torzen is all gears. I installed a Torzen differentail on my old 2002 Camaro and it made a world of difference, from open differential to Limited slip. So I wonder how that would perform on our cars??

03-13-2015, 06:46 PM	#29
CreeperRS Drives: 20’ Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,577	I believe the higher hp numbers are due to the fact that 14-15 1LE's have electronic steering, 1 pulley less to rob hp. __________________

03-13-2015, 11:10 PM	#33
z3R0fo01 Drives: 2014 1SS RS 1LE tvs2300 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: MD Posts: 420	Yes very comical. I see their performance line like I see all that crap a dealership that they try to sell you. Or like the stuff at auto zone. Ford is better with Ford racing and Roush, but I still would go with aftermarket. I guess SLP did work with chevy to extend warranty if you get their basic supercharger kit. I think you can also get a warranty on chevy performance parts if the right place installs it. I think I have heard of packages that are warrantied, but it still a rip off. I guess some of the stuff is for people that pay sticker price. __________________ SLP TVS 2300 Kooks 1 7/8" Rotofab intake NPP JRE tuned

03-13-2015, 11:32 PM	#34
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	Chevrolet Performance makes outstanding parts. The only real complaint I have is that they are not priced in line with aftermarket parts. GM has a tendency to hold the line when it comes to price and the "value" argument—basically, their stuff is better or comes with more features, like its own warranty, quality design, or other features—and that has resulted in a sort of cockiness in aftermarket parts pricing over the years. Because they claim to have better value, they justify pricing among premium parts manufacturers even though the gains may be much more humble. It directly has hindered their image and sales. If they can justify taking in less money in profit, they'll get more sales, thus building up their performance brand. The added visibility will pay dividends in the long haul, especially with a new generation just over the horizon. Of course, who listens to me about this? I'm only a performance enthusiast with some common sense. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

03-14-2015, 10:25 AM	#38
Mikamaro MikeNoMaro Drives: A 2016 Challenger R/T M6 STP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,375 View My Garage	The 1le has the same LS3 found in the SS. Its the 3.91gearing and 285/35 sticky tires that makes it faster __________________ Track Day Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgoodman2000/videos Built #83817, Born January 18th, Christened June 11th 2010, Stolen October 3rd 2016.

03-14-2015, 10:47 AM	#39
Turbosaurus Drives: '14 Camaro 2SS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Antonio Posts: 62 View My Garage	If GM changed anything like that in the LS3 and didn't re-certify (especially for emissions) the gestapo EPA would be all up in their **. Doubt they would take that chance. __________________ Past: '69 Chevelle SS396 '79 Camaro 400SBC/TH400 Present: '14 Camaro 2SS/1LE '03 Avalanche (tow car for...) Twin-turbo SBC Super Comp Dragster Future:** FFR 33 Hot Rod w/ SBC RCR GT-40 w/ LS7

03-13-2015, 08:07 PM	#30
The Captain Drives: No Car Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: No location Posts: 43	My 1LE is a 2013 and also has electric power steering. I noticed it does seem like its has more pull than the non-1LE 2SS I test drove. Given GM's history of understating HP for insurance purposes it wouldn't surprise me if there was something extra in the LS3 in the 1LE; just not sure how to check if something like performance heads and/or cam was added from the factory.

03-13-2015, 10:59 PM	#32
Drm2Reality Drives: Possibly a 1LE in the near future. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: US Of A Posts: 436	Is it just me or does any one find it odd or comical that GM's own performance part voids the warranty? If I am paying a premium for a GM part I would only do it if GM did not void the warranty! Kind of crazy to me!

03-14-2015, 10:21 AM	#37
The Captain Drives: No Car Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: No location Posts: 43	I viewed the youtube video for the LS3/480 and LS3/525 and from what the Chevy guy says you can wring up to 480 or 525 HP from a stock LS3 with a cam change with a related tune. Thats the kind of thing I keep wondering if GM did at the factory already for the 1LE and just doesn't say 'cause they don't want to re-certify the LS3 in the 1LE package. Guess without opening up the engine in my 1LE there is no way to know for sure.

03-15-2015, 03:43 PM	#42
CreeperRS Drives: 20’ Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,577	I notice they mentioned a Torzen diffential, I think that is worth looking into. I recall reading somewhere that our differtial has clutches and Torzen is all gears. I installed a Torzen differentail on my old 2002 Camaro and it made a world of difference, from open differential to Limited slip. So I wonder how that would perform on our cars?? __________________