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Also SpeedIsLife, you are assuming the 8L90 is smaller than ZF units. I've not seen any proof of this. Do you have some measurements on the two? Seems getting those kind of specs on any of these trans is hard to come by. I don't think anyone has posted how much longer the M7 is compared to the M6 either (off topic I know).
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10-21-2015, 09:54 AM | #44 |
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It's amazing that GM in their extensive prototype testing was unable to discover this A8 overheating issue in the C7 over the hundred of thousands of test miles they must have driven the prototypes, both on track and off. Makes me a bit nervous about the rigor of the reliability assessment procedures they are following on the G6.
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I still traded the DCT in for a manual. it was great but manual is just more fun for me and my wife (her even more so than me, in fact!). If I get a Camaro it'll be manual for sure. On OP's post.. Funny how cars get to be TOO capable/good and seem to lose fans based on that. Sounds like #GTRproblems |
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I feel like they always love the American cars/vehicles they actually get but find some absurd reason not to. They ooohed and awwed over the last two vettes but found wrong. Even top gear bloggers like this Camaro is what i will take from it.
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Gtr has #pricetag problems for mainstream fans.
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I'm waiting to see if GM fixes this A8 issues before making my move for a 6th. gen SS or instead going for the actual more reliable ZL1 |
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10-22-2015, 05:23 AM | #49 | |
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Wow, it seems like if a review isn't 100% effusive praise for this car, many of you are ready with the tar and feathers. Which is interesting, since none of you have, you know, driven it yet.
FYI, the author of that piece (Pat Devereaux) is a Brit who lives in the U.S., and he has quite a fondness for American cars (look for his reviews of the Hellcat, or CTS-V wagon, for example). His criticisms of the new Camaro are both unique and actually well worn. 1) Being a huge fan of Top Gear, I noticed that they often ascribe cars with certain characteristics. To them, a muscle car isn't supposed to handle like a BMW, otherwise they'd buy a BMW. That does not make the new Camaro a bad car, it's just not fulfilling their expectation. They'll get over it. 2) a car losing its "rawness", as mentioned in this article, is a common car rag trope. I remember when Car and Driver was sad that the Acura RSX was more "mature" than the previous Integra, or when many magazines felt the newest, 981 Boxster/Caymans were just a bit too grown up versus the prev 987s. Hell, I can find articles about detailing the same concern with the 2nd gen Camaro versus the 1st back in 1970! It doesn't mean they think the car is bad. No car is perfect. Any reviewer worth his/her salt must list some negatives (even if nitpicking) to balance out the positives. I have yet to see a single review for this car that isn't overwhelmingly positive. |
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Even though all things being equal, a modern auto trans will be faster, things are never equal for long. May as well enjoy your drive. Someone else will always have a faster car. Such is life.
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^^ Agreed. Additionally some of us like cars that provide an intimate, almost telepathic connection with the act and experience of driving, of the kind that great sports cars (regardless of their "numbers") make possible - i.e. Porsches, earlier BMWs, even the new Miata. While obviously improved in many ways, it's not clear to me from the reviews to date that the G6 can make that connection, but I'm hopeful it does.
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Manuals - More HP to the wheels, less weight. Autos - Shift Faster
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10-22-2015, 03:56 PM | #55 | |
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So, the only real reason to go Manual is for serious track duty or to "feel more connected"(the term I keep hearing). This isnt the old Auto. Times are a'changing! The new A8 is very impressive, by all sources Ive seen.
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I think the auto is also a great choice, i mean not everyone wants three pedals, especially if they are planning a DD and are in traffic on a long commute etc. or maybe they have health issues prevent them from pushing in a clutch 1000 times a day. The ZL1 in manual does put a smile on ones face!
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