[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Excellent post Mr. W. Regarding your statement

"that you can't look at a couple of seconds and make a definitive statement that car A is faster than car B...the Ring is complex, and there are many factors...including weather".

Manufactures are under no pressure to get the best lap at a predetermined time (one shot at it). They can make as many attempts as they want and not post a lap if they don't get what they want. IIRC, we never saw a C7 Z06 lap and I think there is a reason for that. The ZL1-1LE crashed last year so they are back again this year. Point being, they work their ass off to get those last 3 second and with such a long and complicated track its easy to screw it up.

Very true. But it's hard to compare multiple cars when the best lap they get may or may not have been truly optimum...look at the wet time of the last gen Z/28.

Drivers are different, too...

It's a gauge: a good one...but nothing more, due to the lack of a supervising body. Car and Driver's Lightning Lap is another "sketchy", but better-controlled test between vehicles.

Nevertheless....to best the Ring in 7:30 or less is blisteringly fast. Any car in that range can be held on a pedestal.

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

3 seconds on a 2.9 mile course is enormous. I've never driven the Milford Proving grounds, but let's say you cross the finish line at 100MPH. 100MPH is 146.7 ft/second. In three seconds, the difference is 440 ft. That is 1 1/3 football field's length ON ONE LAP. Imagine if you were racing, and you lost more than a football field's length every lap.

Often times, you're finishing at much higher speeds than that. And....you can lose seconds in the corners, if you entry and exit isn't perfect.

Here's a cool perspective of a portion of Milford...they're not pushing as hard as they could be...scroll down to the PDR video:
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1

[90503]

With Corvette and Camaro both at the ring, it seems like the spy-shots and videos are not that plentiful.....I would have thought the interwebs would be blowing up with spy shot pics, videos, etc., of one or both....Heck, they're probably all done by now....

[jaymsu]

I think it will be faster than Ferrari 488 GTB (7:21.63), and very similar to C6 ZR1 time. (7:19) Guessing somewhere between 7:18 and 7:20.

I'm sure it will be the Fastest muscle car on the Ring!

[Raven87]

I am always interested in the 'Ring times for any performance car because it does give you an indication of potential.

We all know it is not the end-all, be-all absolute benchmark because comparisons are usually never done on the same day/same driver etc plus weather conditions can vary so much. However, it is a very interesting piece of data to consider.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I am always interested in the 'Ring times for any performance car because it does give you an indication of potential.

We all know it is not the end-all, be-all absolute benchmark because comparisons are usually never done on the same day/same driver etc plus weather conditions can vary so much. However, it is a very interesting piece of data to consider.

I think we should expect updated, and improved, lap times. Camaro's track vibe seems to have made a commitment to posting lap times to show improvements in performance and engineering. Especially being in the mix at the Ring with super-cars, super-expensive cars, and getting nearer and nearer to the lowest times I would think posting and advertising annual Ring times would be something we should expect from now on...

Not to mention the possibility that the Camaro may actually be quicker and faster than the Corvette....at least for a short while, perhaps....

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by 90503

I think we should expect updated, and improved, lap times. Camaro's track vibe seems to have made a commitment to posting lap times to show improvements in performance and engineering. Especially being in the mix at the Ring with super-cars, super-expensive cars, and getting nearer and nearer to the lowest times I would think posting and advertising annual Ring times would be something we should expect from now on...

Not to mention the possibility that the Camaro may actually be quicker and faster than the Corvette....at least for a short while, perhaps....

I definitely agree. I wish GM had taken the 5th Gen Z/28 back to the Ring and ran it again. The published time was quick but that was in wet conditions for the last 5-6 miles of the run and it still ran a great time.

GM said they thought there was 'another 6 seconds in the car' (they ran a 2014 model) and most pundits thought there was maybe a little more. So the official run was a 7:37:40 - in the rain - that was still 4 seconds better than the 5th Gen ZL1 on a dry track.

The new ZL1 1LE should absolutely kill the Ring time and I'm betting we'll see a mid-low 7:1X...

[Squatch]

I love ring times, and watching the videos of them over and over.
I hope Chevy does not 'settle' with an ok ring time due to bad weather just to get some numbers on the board. I feel they kind of did this with the '14 Z28 since part of the course was wet with rain. (Maybe it would of been a couple sec faster in nice weather). I love the looks of this car, the wing wont slow it down much on the long straight, but the canards (or dive planes some have come to call them) how will those effect it?

[NemesisC5]

The hail mentioned earlier in thread...


Automatic trans on ZR1


GM dialing in both ZL1 and ZR1, hopefully we'll see Nordschleife times soon.

[detltu]

On the Z/28 time: Because of the expense of sending the cars to the ring and securing the track for testing, they usually have a pretty limited window to get a hero lap in. Compound with the fact that over 12-13 miles of track any one mistake can ruin or compromise that lap. The first trip (or first couple) the car is still in development and doesn't really represent the final product so those are no good. Usually it's not worth the cost to send someone/rent the track for a hero run simply for advertising purposes. The Z/28 run was the best they could do with video backup and they didn't think it was worthwhile to send it again to try to get a better run out of it.

[Iroc_Z28]

Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

So the Nurburgring is approx. x4.45 longer than the Milford proving grounds track (12.9 miles compared to 2.9 miles in length). The camaro team stated that the zl1 1le is 3 seconds a lap faster around Milford than the regular zl1. So if you assume that 3 second gap will multiply over the length of a racetrack, using the 4.45 multiplier, the zl1 1le would be 13.35 seconds faster than the zl1 at the 'ring. Meaning the zl1 1le lap time would be 7:16.25.

note: i know the track layout of the 'ring and milford are vastly different, so this probably isn't very accurate.... but i'm bored today =)

Damn, looks like my math was pretty close! only 0.21 seconds off the actual time... now where's my prize

[16BlueSS]

Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

So the Nurburgring is approx. x4.45 longer than the Milford proving grounds track (12.9 miles compared to 2.9 miles in length). The camaro team stated that the zl1 1le is 3 seconds a lap faster around Milford than the regular zl1. So if you assume that 3 second gap will multiply over the length of a racetrack, using the 4.45 multiplier, the zl1 1le would be 13.35 seconds faster than the zl1 at the 'ring. Meaning the zl1 1le lap time would be 7:16.25.

note: i know the track layout of the 'ring and milford are vastly different, so this probably isn't very accurate.... but i'm bored today =)

I don't know how you could be so close to the real time of 7:16:04, But congrats on being on the money $$$$.

1lE is the BOMB !

CD

[ELS1]

Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

Damn, looks like my math was pretty close! only 0.21 seconds off the actual time... now where's my prize

You get 100 internet points! :haha:

[Iroc_Z28]

I was surprised at guessing so close too. This shows how consistent the 1LE is at different tracks... it was able to maintain that lap time advantage over the zl1 from Milford to the Nurburgring

[HyperBlueX2]

Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

Damn, looks like my math was pretty close! only 0.21 seconds off the actual time... now where's my prize

I remember this..... I didn't think it would happen.... but damn.... awesome prediction.....