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As far as environmental impact to manufacture, like-for-like an EV will have more environmental impact than an ICE. That impact will be quickly offset by environmental impact of normal usage. Check the webpage of your local energy provider. Chances are their splash page provides detail on their plans to provide cleaner energy. Chances are also good that your state has committed to carbon neutral power generation by 2040 - 2050, timing dependent on state. Michigan is 2040. They know how to do it. It’s now a question of time and money. Virginia is 2045 for one of the major power providers, 2050 for the other. A list of states’ committed dates for carbon neutral power can be found here. https://www.cesa.org/projects/100-cl...energy-states/ Back to expensive. The EV I bought cost me $52,000. It’s a midsized premium SUV. If I compare it to other midsized premium SUV (ICE) it actually fits towards the high middle of the pack. And that’s before the IRA incentive. A similarly equipped Buick Envision would have cost $46,000. Buick Enclave around $53,000. Chevrolet Blazer RS around $48,000. Chevrolet Traverse around $52,000. Just for giggles I priced a similarly equipped Tahoe. $71,000. So even though the Model Y as I trimmed it out is pricey, it’s not really any more pricey than popular ICE models in the same class. FWIW - average new vehicle price in the US in 2023 is around $48,000. I spent $4,000 above that and should be getting $7,500 of that back. Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV are both priced under $30,000.
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I turned off any support for EVs when the regulatory state forced the OEMs to push out turbo versions of small displacement engines that will result in shorter longevity and higher repair costs for consumers. All to conform with silly EPA mileage standards with bogus data that never is achievable in real life. A modern, properly maintained, naturally aspirated inline 4 cylinder or V6/V8 can easily go 300K or more miles without a major overhaul. We're entering an age of overpriced disposable cars with rapid depreciation and short lifecycles, including EVs. Another turning point for me, in the US, is the government manipulation of the marketplace, with this silly carbon credits scheme and the $7500 "rebate". We've beaten that one to death, but that's a fundamental disagreement on the role of government more than an EV debate. I try not to take any criticism personally here. We're all fond of our Camaros and sad to see them fade out of production (even if some of us yearn for souless short range heavy transportation appliances as part of a gov't welfare program). |
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Interested to see how the "Model 2/Model Q" plays out. Wish it wasn't another crossover.
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The old saying of just because you can doesn't mean you should kind of applies here. In '99 with the old 305 hp 5.7 LT1 and 4 speed they were getting 0-60s in the 5 second range. Pretty sure with the 455 hp 6.2 LT1 and that same 4 speed we'd be getting sub 4 seconds today anyways. Don't need 8, 10, or even 5 or 6 gears in the auto!
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Anyway, power generation in Q2 here was 42.1% renewables, if youve got your own solar generation you can increase that considerably. It doesnt matter how efficient ICE cars become, they are still going to pollute, but there are already people using EVs on a daily basis and creating no emissions at all, I honestly dont think there can be an argument against them on the basis of emissions. |
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The last time I checked, solar on my house would cost over 20k and take at least 13 years to break even. If you believe you're saving the world, fine, but financially it doesn't make sense for many. Yes, there are also folks that trashed a fuel efficient vehicle taking the manufacturing environmental penalty for a new EV to charge at home using power provided by coal. That varies based on where you live. It's complicated.
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When have major media outlets ever misled the public with a false narrative to drive an agenda? ...I'm sorry I even dared to question anything. Originally Posted by capricio Nobody is saying clean power isn't possible (just that there are still many "dirty" sources generating power). It's ok to be skeptical and ask yourself if all this is really worth the zero tailpipe emissions goal or if that's just the public face of it. ....this quote is not attributable to me. Not that I necessarily disagree with it, though. Some healthy skepticism. And how much have rates increased in europe as they transition to expensive green sources of energy? When are the impacts of importation, mining, and disposal of rare earth elements ever discussed? When will they ever be addressed as the cost of batteries keeps increasing? |
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You can see why the Revolutionary War happened.
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I'm always fascinated by how the EV advocates seem to believe this outcome was "inevitable" without government intervention, because EVs are just "that good" on their own merits. And if they manage to concede that point, then its back to apocalyptic climate alarmism despite no real proof taking western tailpipe emissions to zero will have any impact relative to all other forms of carbon production. Upending a whole industry for such marginal outcomes.
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