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No need to worry...
The gt350r is also a low production vehicle which will, more than likely, carry a high sticker price. The way i see.. this is what we'll get: 1. 1LE for everyday track folks. Similar to the SS but more track focused. 2. ZL1: LT4 car with hopefully enough power to stay competitive with the Hellcat and GT500. 3. Z28 low production, max effort "streetcar". The engine will/should be NA and if im not mistaken i believe Tag said they had a no frills NA LT1 engine. Hopefully something like that with a 7k rpm range to get to the 500hp+ range. That is how i would do it if i was king!
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05-21-2015, 05:25 PM | #58 |
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You cannot base the z28's success on sales alone. It was noted to be a low production unit anyways so what is the point.
The real story is that the z28 is that it time and time again has beaten cars on a race track that are much much faster in a straightline. The car is a track weapon and one that many (still doubt) doubted GM could produce out of a camaro. The z28's success is the reason there even is a Gt350R. it is the General doing what it does best.... producing a car that rips up the competition, especially cars that cost 2 to 3 times as much. So no... the z28 is not a failure, it is infact the very reason some auto manufactures arent sleeping well at night.
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05-21-2015, 05:53 PM | #59 |
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What if they offered up a 500hp lt1 z/28 option but without the other spec only parts? Like a boss 302 was for ford. Maybe they could swap out cams for more rpm and a little less low end.
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Changing cams will require a whole new set of durability testing, EPA and SAE testing and certification..many millions of dollars.
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So write this down.
There will be one of two possibilities. 1) GM has something very special in the wings for a Z/28 powertrain. LTx we'll call it. Something that make Ford embarrassed that they created a flat crank hand grenade or 2) GM uses the LT4 at 640/650 HP and looses about 200 to 300 pounds from the SS ANNNNNNNND adds CC brakes and Trofe tires. This also assumes that GM has an LT4 powered Camaro that is actually standard weight PLUS the weight of the LT4 etc. to compete with the GT500. So to remove 2 to 300 pounds will be a chore with a lot of what was done to the current Z/28 and what was done to the Malibu (arguably already done to the Camaro) and a crap load of Carbon Fiber and Magnesium and Aluminium.
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The original Z/28 was designed to race SCCA's Trans Am series, and GM had to sell a certain number to the public. The class was limited to 5000cc (5.0L 305CID), so GM made a lower displacement race engine. It was smaller lighter and high revving.
Gen 5, and GM was going to call the ZL1 the Z/28, but realized that the ZL1 did not live up to the original heritage, and renamed it. That brought up the idea of an LS7 Z/28 true to it's heritage. But with those pricy components, I think the Z/28 lost market share to the cheaper ZL1 (which had lots more power and more everyday liveable). In order to do this right, GM would do a LT4 ZL1. That's a no brainer. But the Z/28... l think you have to stay N/A to stay true to the heritage. A high revving LT1 variation with racing heads/cam/exhuast, etc. is a good argument to make. It could also be more competitively priced (with the ZL1). BUT, if GM goes that route, can the Gen6 Z/28 live up the Gen5?? Big questions. |
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The most likely Z car is an LT4 powered Z/28 around 3950 lbs and set up like the 5th gen ZL1.
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As for the the sixth gen. Camaro I found it remarkable that the 2016 SS is faster than the 2015 1LE with its ZL1 parts around the track. This holds a lot of promise for the next 1LE. I certainly believe that there will be ZL1 powered by the LT4 to compete against the GT 500 and the Hellcat. Naturally the SS with the LT1 to compete with the Mustang GT and Challenger. A lightened Z28 track car with a 550HP TT V6 is a compelling thought to compete against the GT-350. I am not sure a non V8 Z28 would make good business sense but it could make for a great track car. I really have no clue what Z28 GM has planned for the GT-350 but I do have total confidence that it will be a great competitor.
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My suggestion would be to simply take the $20,000 premium the Gen5 Z/28 has for the LS7 and put it into the low mass goodies. And if the Corvette goes to mid-engine as is suspected, there would be no limitations would there? Hmmmmmmm?
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IF the Corvette goes mid engine, a massive if, the rumors are that would just be the ZR1 for C7. Unless the C7 gen is very short, there would still be a C7 Z06 running around with a 6th gen Z**. There is no way GM would let an LT4 Camaro run around with a C7 Z06 while they weigh the same.
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