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Very, very different. A properly geared LF3 would whoop an LT1 on mileage.
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11-18-2014, 07:22 PM | #30 |
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You would be pushing hand grenade territory out of 2 liters.
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11-19-2014, 12:39 PM | #32 |
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idk about you guys, but I think the new ats-v looks awesome. the front is aggressive, the wing on the back, it just looks awesome. I wish they would have thrown a V8 in there instead of a V6. I wonder how it sounds since its only a v6. I really think the 2016 camaro is going to miss the mark in the looks department. Im not thrilled with what I see so far.
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On the other hand, I think that the ATS-V looks hideous. Did the Pontiac Aztek design team come out of retirement or what?? But, as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To each his own... |
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11-19-2014, 02:22 PM | #34 | |
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11-19-2014, 03:36 PM | #35 |
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This thread is giving me a headache
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11-19-2014, 10:14 PM | #36 |
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At "about 3700 pounds" does not bode well for all you guys hoping for a sub 3600 pound SS. Some light weight material, some extra stiffening and an ELS rear diff may no make it into a Camao but that isnt 100 pounds.
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11-19-2014, 10:24 PM | #37 |
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Sub 3600 is delusional. 3700-3750 for a fully loaded SS with V8 is highly likely and completely acceptable, I think it will be a hell of a car at that weight.
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11-20-2014, 11:35 AM | #38 |
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3,650 to 3,750. That's my official stance on the 6th gen SS.
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Same here. If it falls in that range, I would be pretty damn happy.
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11-20-2014, 04:01 PM | #41 | |
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I should also point out that I was not directly comparing the Corvette to the CTS-Vsport. What I was doing was comparing the CTS-Vsport to the Camaro SS, which is overall a very similar vehicle (and this idea is validated by the fact that the LFX is used in both cars & hits the same fuel economy figures in each). For the same reason, I compared the C6 to the C7 -because they are overall quite similar (size, shape, weight). The reason I compared them like this was because there was no direct way to compare the LT1 to the LF3. So, I used the LS3 as a proxy. LF3 vs LS3, LT1 vs LS3. If there was anything to the idea that the LF3 is more efficient than the LT1, the CTS-Vsport should show a decent fuel economy benefit over the LS3 in the Camaro -because the LT1 shows some improvement over the LS3 in the Corvette. I don't care if its 5 mpg or 0.5 ... at that I am looking at is the relative performance of the engines And after re-reading that several times ... I think even I'm confused. So lets simplify it to A vs B & B vs C. If we know that: 1) A is less than (or equal to) B . . . . and 2) B is less than C Now, I realize that there are quite a few approximations & assumptions in what I did. So it might be going a bit too far to say that the LT1 is undeniably more efficient than the LF3. But I have yet to see anything to suggest that the reverse is true (that the LF3 is more efficient than the LT1). At best, I'd say they might be equally efficient. But in all likelihood, the LF3 is less efficient.
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11-20-2014, 05:34 PM | #42 | |
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On the other hand, the C7 is better than the C6 and the LT1 is better than the LS3. I think that is an objective statement - essentially identical, but the LT1 has DI, VVT, DoD and an extra gear(s depending). Denying the LT1's efficiency would be ridiculous, also. I simply have a hard time believing the LF3 is any manner of optimized since #1 it doesn't exactly fill any gaps and #2 probably won't be around much longer (like the good ole' LS6)... and #3 GM engineers can't seem to gear anything short of the Corvette for crap.
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