[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

I call BS. No way it's going to be a DCT. And 772 HP seems a bit excessive but I could see it I guess.

Sucks that Ford is always WAY behind in releasing their top line cars and get the chance to make sure they whop the competition when they do come out. Luckily, at that point Chevy is usually ready to start the next gen. But then you usually have all of the Mustang ankle biters insisting their last gen car is just as good/better than Chevy's next gen one (Like the GT350R vs G6 ZL1).

Anyways, hopefully they play "fair" shall we say. But they've certainly had enough time to not.

[nicktechla]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I call BS. No way it's going to be a DCT. And 772 HP seems a bit excessive but I could see it I guess.

Sucks that Ford is always WAY behind in releasing their top line cars and get the chance to make sure they whop the competition when they do come out. Luckily, at that point Chevy is usually ready to start the next gen. But then you usually have all of the Mustang ankle biters insisting their last gen car is just as good/better than Chevy's next gen one (Like the GT350R vs G6 ZL1).

Anyways, hopefully they play "fair" shall we say. But they've certainly had enough time to not.

what's fair? competition is good

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by nicktechla

what's fair? competition is good

Well I would agree with you. I still think that it's safe to say that if a car is too far out of the reach then Chevy won't necessarily put it away when they go to compete against next round. For example, the 2017 ZL1 barely beats out/if it does beat out, the 2013-2014 GT500 or the 2015+ Hellcats. If Ford makes a 772 HP GT500, Chevy will probably bring out a 750 HP ZL1 next go around and it will barely beat/if it beats at all, the previous GT500. That's what I mean.

This is why I usually stick with Corvette as it's usually the only way to surely whip SRT/Ford. But with Corvette's not being on the 3000-3300 pound diet they used to be, the gap is closing. Chevy needs to pick it up a little bit on the basic stuff; weight and how to make HP (NO more 1740 blowers, cough cough).

I'm sure I'm in for a flame war but this is how I feel and you really can look at it either way; either Chevy completely wins because they destroyed all of the last gen cars at the track, or you can say that Chevy didn't do good at all because the previous gen GT500s/Hellcats will run right along side a ZL1 on the street. I'm somewhere in the middle. I give credit for the amazing handling Chevy is getting out of a muscle car (Super car levels of it) and I'm not taking anything away from that. It's just the LITTLE stuff that IMO is even easier than making a 3900 pound car run low 7 minute 'Ring laps, keep the weight down, and make a little more power. All problems solved.

[Badmojo]

Almost 3000 post of the Ford guys getting frustrated (I was one of them).

https://www.svtperformance.com/forum...#post-15854265

[waterman]

I agree that this is all purely speculative at this point. With that said, mark my words, after Ford ADM, this car will cost more than a ZR1. Fools were paying well over $100K for GT350Rs throughout it's manufacturing run.

People were questioning $70K for a Camaro. How about the sucker that will pay $140K for a Mustang? A Mustang that won't be able to touch a ZR1 and that will probably not handle as well as a ZLE.

Not a hater... just saying.

[bigmike32172]

Good comments guys
If Chevy would just excessively use aluminum and carbon fiber throughout the entire ZL1 to get it closer to the 3,000lb mark which will shave off at least a half a second in 1/4 mile times and also improve it's handling & braking.
Although doing so will bring the Camaro too close to the new ZR1 Vette.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Excessive carbon fiber alone though would push the price tag well over $100,000. In fact I am not aware of a car that uses “excessive carbon fiber” and doesn’t cost $200,000+.

[Blast]

Well, let's assume that it IS an easter egg of some sorts.

We see 7, and we see 72. That could be 772HP.

But in seventh gear @ 3200 RPM? 72MPH @ 3200RPM?

Even in the A10 that does seem very aggressive. I don't see it being a 7-speed, maybe an A10, but cruising would not be fun in it.

Just my $0.02.

So I'm wondering if the egg doesn't lie in the other numbers.

7, 3200 (320? 32? 3.2?), 72.

7 speed gearbox, 3200 lbs, 72 people paying $30k ADM day 1?

Obviously a joke, drop 500 lbs out of the GT350R would be a miracle.

I'm on the fence about the gearbox. My gut tells me A10, but maybe the 7 speed as an option?

// Stefan

[Badmojo]

I think a few things are pretty realistic:

1. The GT500 will have more than 700+ HP and be faster in a straight line than a current gen ZL1 if it can hook up. If it can't hook up, the owners will put drag radials on every car just like the Hellcats. Handling is anyone's guess, but Ford was comparing the car to the Porsche GT3 on the proving grounds. Curb weight is anyone's guess, but it is probably going to be the determining factor in how fast the car actually is.

2. It will cost MORE than the current generation ZL1 and likely have INSANE ADM for the first year of production.

3. Current GT350 owners will get significant butt-hurt and cry when they try and sell the GT350.

4. If you want to be a "top dog", then add a pulley, tune, CAI, and exhaust to your ZL1. It is unlikely that GM will immediately respond with a faster Camaro immediately.

[DrkPhx]

I would be surprised if the upcoming GT500 does NOT have close to 800 hp and a DCT. It's supposed to have a short production run, so expect the typical insane Shelby adm's.

[bobby35ny]

743 miles. maybe that's the HP

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Chevy isn't going to go out of their way to respond. They're going to run the wave of the 6th gens, sell as many as they can, and then redesign the Gen 7 Camaro and start selling that. 1-2 years into the 7th gen, they'll build a ZL1 which will probably have the engine that the mid level Corvette has (TT V8 is my guess). No ZL1 will get the LT5 out of this gen just like the ZL1 never got the LS9 from last gen. If you want to drive a Chevy and beat SRT/Ford without a doubt, buy a Corvette. If Ford gets the weight down to 3500-3700, it's not going to be pretty for the Camaro team for 6th gen OR 7th gen. That's a seriously high bench mark, approaching Corvette territory.

My bets for the GT500 though are this:
Over 700 HP but not 772.
3800 pounds like the GT350. Some weight savings in technology but the weight of the engine will put it right back where it started, likely around 3800-3900.
A10 Transmission. The DCT from the Ford GT will require lots of tuning and work to be mated to a higher HP V8 whereas the A10 is already built for that. It may have a manual option as well.
Expect some good 305 or 315 tires on the back but the car won't hook very good anyways and if it does hook good then you'll have complaining from Shelby purists.
I'd expect high 10s. Likely they'll attempt to make it a "Triple thread" car like the ZL1 and they just might be able to get there if they include GT350R handling characteristics with the HP of a GT500. That would be a pretty deadly combo.
$85,000+ MSRP with some nasty ADM's. Limited run but they'll be more common than you think.

[SPARTAN sui]

Oh good lord, I quote from that forum.

Even today the brand new zl1/1le are selling for thousands less the msrp and the older slower gt350 are selling for more the msrp and even more than the vaunted zl11le.

Yes Ford is so behind....

If that isn't rabid fanboyism, I don't know what is. According to him, the ZL1 1LE is so unwanted and trash because dealers are selling them for THOUSANDS below MSRP. While the highly sought after GT350 is selling for ABOVE MSRP because people want it sooo badly and it's sooo good.

Or in a place called reality, Ford doesn't have a handle on their dealerships and are letting their dealerships markup high end vehicles to make an absurd profit on someone that doesn't know what they're buying.

ADM is a scam, if you pay ADM on a vehicle you're a fool. ADM is a lose lose for customers, why would you root for that?! That makes no god damn sense.

I've never seen someone argue against dealer discounts before.

On the GT500, front end teaser looks awesome. Competition is good, I'd rather see manufactures producing more high end sports cars than not. I won't buy one, but I look forward to how Chevy will answer this. Maybe a z28? Who knows. Competition drives manufactures to produce better products at a better price.

[kwav8r]

Originally Posted by SPARTAN sui

ADM is a scam, if you pay ADM on a vehicle you're a fool. ADM is a lose lose for customers, why would you root for that?! That makes no god damn sense.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you I will also say 'there's a sucker born every minute.'

Ford dealers are just taking advantage of them- getting their licks in where they can.