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Old 01-01-2012, 03:17 PM   #15
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I just don't see the point of a 4 banger in the Camaro unless they can get upper 30s for the highway mileage. The V6 is currently already around 30 and I'd expect the next gen to improve by 10% or so over that. So now we'd be looking at low to mid 30's on the 6. If the 4 banger is 'just' mid 30s, I don't think it will be enough of a difference to justify its existence. People will see 33 mpg on the, lets say 330 hp V6 vs 35 mpg on the 270 hp Turbo4. I just don't think thats enough seperation between the two unless gas prices jump again.

Plus, adding another engine to the lineup increases weight and cost for everything else, especially when its a completely different configuration than the other offerings (a 5.3L V8 and a 6.2L V8 will mount up the same way and take up the same real estate inside the engine bay ... that doesn't happen with an I4 vs a V6). You'd be adding weight, and adding cost, for something that doesn't add much value. I think a smarter move would be to have a 3.1L base V6 and a 3.8L 'upper V6'. I'd expect a small V6 would deliver similar numbers to the turbo4 (while costing less) while the big V6 would offer better performance with a bit of a fuel economy hit and would sit as an intermediate engine to the base V8 (which I expect will be smaller than what we have now)
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They KNOW the current design is a hit (which isn't a retro design, btw...).
People keep saying that, but you are in denial if you don't think the Gen5 has styling cues taken directly from the Gen1 Camaro. It is as much a retro design as the Mustang is. The only true-to-the-past design, IMO, is the Challenger.

Fbodfather has been saying all along that the power train will have to change from n/a V6's and V8's just too meet CAFE standards in the future. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
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The turbo solstice is slow and that car is tiny.
I wouldn't say they're slow. With the GMPP tune (which doesn't void the warranty) those little cars will run with a Camaro SS.

They are tiny though.
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People keep saying that, but you are in denial if you don't think the Gen5 has styling cues taken directly from the Gen1 Camaro. It is as much a retro design as the Mustang is. The only true-to-the-past design, IMO, is the Challenger.
Retro = true to the past. Therefore, the Challenger is retro, and the Camaro isn't.
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:23 PM   #19
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People keep saying that, but you are in denial if you don't think the Gen5 has styling cues taken directly from the Gen1 Camaro. It is as much a retro design as the Mustang is. The only true-to-the-past design, IMO, is the Challenger.
The only cue taken DIRECTLY from the 1st get was the angle and curvature of the rear-quarter window. Everything else was inspired by the other generations, Corvette (production and concept), and even the F-22 fighter jet.

I'll agree that many, if not most design elements were drawn from 1st gen influence. But I refuse to use the word "retro" because it's just not accurate.
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The only cue taken DIRECTLY from the 1st get was the angle and curvature of the rear-quarter window. Everything else was inspired by the other generations, Corvette (production and concept), and even the F-22 fighter jet.

I'll agree that many, if not most design elements were drawn from 1st gen influence. But I refuse to use the word "retro" because it's just not accurate.
That's fine, but let's be sure the same standard is applied to the Mustang. It no more retro than the Gen5 is all I'm saying, yet people want to label it that way.
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Anyone that talks, doesn't know.
I heard it's supposed to have 5.7L V6 with twin turbos and a supercharger.
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That's fine, but let's be sure the same standard is applied to the Mustang. It no more retro than the Gen5 is all I'm saying, yet people want to label it that way.
I think the Mustang splits the difference between the Challenger and the Camaro in terms of their connection to past designs...but no, I wouldn't call the '05-ish Mustang retro, either.
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I heard it's supposed to have 5.7L V6 with twin turbos and a supercharger.
Wow.... Not likely, because i was told by a guy they knew a GM employee back in the 60's who now has a child who works there that the 6th gen will be made of poly-carbonate to reduce weight and will have windows made of crystal. Also, it is rumored to run on dolphin tears. Oh, and it will be an in-line 9.

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These articles are crap. Its in no way associated by any GM personnel so im geting the impression some folks are gullible.

FYI - i read another article that the 6th gen will be available in a Hybrid option.
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You know I also heard that they are going to combine the mustang and the camaro together to make a mega pony car!!! Why are we getting into details already. Enjoy what you have
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The Camang or Mustaro will rule all. I hope the last minute negotiations pan out with Chrysler to make it a Camangler or Mustallenaro or Challangaro!

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