03-19-2016, 03:19 PM | #225 |
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Wont be long now for me to write a cheque for $60 plus USD for my new ride. Can't wait for the 2017's.
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03-19-2016, 03:40 PM | #226 | |
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And you shouldn't. There is no reason to argue. The Camaro is priced on a completely different level than the Mustang.
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03-19-2016, 03:46 PM | #227 | ||
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Everything you do in life is investing. What you do with your time is an investment. What you do with your money is an investment. Going out to purchase a carton of cigarettes is an investment in yourself. Going out to purchase a loaf of bread is an investment in yourself. Investments are not always "profitable." Investments are just as likely to generate negative returns. The ironic thing is I bet you think the home you live in is an investment, but the car you drive isn't. The home you live in is generally an appreciating liability, a vehicle you drive is generally a depreciating liability. Both the home you live in and the car you drive create negative free cash flow. They are all liabilities. And they are all investments. Neither become an asset until you sell them, at which case they are reclassified on a balance sheet. I will also venture that you use your vehicle to purchase groceries and commute to a job where you collect the majority of your income. That would make your vehicle a capital expenditure on your own personal balance sheet - it takes money to make money for all of us. A vehicle is an investment in every sense of the word. It is a liability, and an investment.
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03-19-2016, 03:53 PM | #228 | |
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Get rid of all your vehicles. Call your boss and say you no longer have a means of transportation to get to work. See how long you keep your job when you tell him you're not coming into work anymore because you can't get there. Then, tell your wife and kids you can't feed them because you don't have a means of getting food at the grocery store. Unless, of course, you're going to start walking. I guess you could do it. But maybe you'll want to invest in a vehicle to increase your potential for earning income and surviving. That's why we purchase vehicles - as an investment to increase our chances of success as we compete within the species, and generate more free time, which is a very valuable asset since most folks survive by selling their time for money. Get rid of all your vehicles and see what happens to your standard of living. Maybe then you'll better understand why a vehicle is an investment in your well-being and earning potential.
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03-19-2016, 04:17 PM | #229 | |
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03-19-2016, 05:46 PM | #230 |
I used to be Dragoneye...
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03-19-2016, 06:15 PM | #231 |
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Yes the mustang with the GT performance package (which motortrend used head to head with 2016 Camaro head to head so it was close) costs more than the 1SS MotorTrend used in the testing. The mustang is very similar when compared to a 2SS. I've never owned a muscle car but I've owned a lot of sports cars. This is the first muscle car and it is because Chevy went above and beyond with the new Camaro. It is lighter yet has more luxury. It surpassed what I was expecting and now I own one. The dealers in my area were only going down about $500 off MSRP but I showed the prices which they were going for in Chicago and got them to price it like the 2017's were already out. That is once they realized I had no problem going 9 hours away to make a deal.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...rd-mustang-gt/
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03-19-2016, 06:19 PM | #232 |
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The new Camaro is in a class above Mustang.. and the price reflects that.
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03-19-2016, 07:02 PM | #233 | |
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The price comparison gets a little harder for folks like me with a GEN 5 2SS 1LE. Since the 1LE package was such a good deal at ($3500 MSRP) on the GEN 5 it makes the price comparison between a GEN5 and GEN6 a bit more challenging. If you add the performance aspects of 1LE package to a GEN5 2SS and consider that it and still cost under $40k. That is what I am wrestling with now, I really don't want to spend more than $40k, which puts me in a 2016 1SS with basically NPP and MRC. The lack of HUD doesn't bother me or even the sunroof or heated seats I barely use but no leather is annoying on a $40k car. So, that is my situation is it worth it to go from a loaded 2SS 1LE to a 2016 1SS with NPP and MRC? For 2013, the 1LE package is offered only on 1SS and 2SS coupe models, featuring a 6.2L LS3 V-8, which is rated at 426 horsepower (318 kW) and 420 lb-ft of torque (569 Nm). In addition, 1LE is only available with a six-speed manual transmission. While the Camaro SS features a Tremec TR6060-M10 for all-around performance, the Camaro 1LE features an exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6. Paired with a numerically higher 3.91 final-drive ratio, the close-ratio gearing of the transmission is tuned for road-racing performance. As with the ZL1, the 1LE transmission features a standard air-to-liquid cooling system for track use. The 1LE also features exclusive, monotube rear dampers instead of the twin-tube dampers on SS models. The new hardware allowed engineers to tune the 1LE suspension to focus on optimal body-motion control while preserving much of the ride quality and wheel-motion control of the Camaro SS. Other changes to optimize the 1LE for track-day use include:
Inside, the 1LE package incorporates the ZL1’s flat-bottom steering wheel, trimmed in sueded-microfiber and designed for easier heel-and-toe driving on the racetrack. The quick-acting, short-throw shifter from the ZL1 is also trimmed in sueded microfiber. |
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03-19-2016, 07:52 PM | #234 |
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Been shopping both...2016 5.0 and SS (base/manual for me). I agree the camaro SS is a better car on paper, but you pay for it...base for base, the camaro is a legit $6,000+ (almost 20%) more than the mustang. It's about fun and bang for the buck for me...its all about V8 and stick shift. I'm really surprised that both cars/dealers seem to focus on selling these outrageously optioned cars, making it hard to find lesser optioned cars, especially the Camaros right now since they are newer. I'm not hating for you guys with money....smoke em if you gottem. but give me a break on these $50,000+ mustangs and camaros
I consider myself pretty unbiased, i'm a cheap thrills guy...I want the new SS but I'm not sure I want to spend that extra $6,000-7,000 for a SS. I already know I will probably end up trading for a newer version of either car in 4-6 years. |
03-19-2016, 08:06 PM | #235 |
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what are the issues of the 6th gen so far? if you have the car custom built is it hard to get under dealer MSRP? ps I was using true car to look prices
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03-19-2016, 09:10 PM | #236 | |
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03-19-2016, 09:33 PM | #237 | |
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03-19-2016, 09:35 PM | #238 |
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Maybe he's saying he'd like a Camaro similarly equipped as the Mustang comes standard @ similar Mustang price.
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