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Old 10-14-2014, 07:51 PM   #15
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I know it's been stated many times, but remind me of the potential weight loss on the 6th Gen again.

I think a new ZL1 with >580 HP /556 Lb-ft, and 3820 weight is....

ok, some math...

5th Gen 580/4120 gives power to weight of .141

6th Gen 600/3820 (assumption) gives power to weight of .157, a 12% increase.

625 HP = .164 P to W, a 16% increase

640 HP = .168 P to W, a 19% increase

Someone check my math - i rounded up.

Anyway, don't know if we are gonna get 300lb diet or not, but a 15% increase should suffice.
I don't think we'll see a 300 lb weight loss for a sixth gen ZL1 (more like 200), but I'm right with you on output.
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Old 10-15-2014, 07:55 AM   #16
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I would be shocked to see a mid engine Zora any time soon. I just don't see how GM can build a mid engine car on the C7 chassis. That would require modifying everything forward of the transmission. It would be a 75% brand new structure.

We haven't seen any mid engine mules running around and, with GM never having built a production mid engine car, I'm sure they would have to do a lot of testing.

Until I see a mid engine Corvette Zora ZR1 on stage I won't believe it. Same goes for a Camaro with the full potential of the LT4, as it sits now.

It wouldn't be on a C7 chassis. They are thinking on making a "family" of corvettes and the Zora/Zr1 would be on a C8 platform. (according to this months Motor Trend (page 20)).
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:42 AM   #17
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ATS with different engine combinations

2.5L RWD / Auto – (3315/ 1503)
2.0 Turbo RWD / Auto – (3373/ 1530)
2.0 Turbo RWD / Man – (3403/ 1543)
2.0 Turbo AWD / Auto – (3543 / 1607)
3.6L RWD / Auto – (3461/ 1570)
3.6L AWD / Auto – (3629/ 1646)

subtract the LFX weight and trans add in the LT4 and 6 speed and all the other components that need to be beefed up.. Might not add up to much savings.
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Old 10-15-2014, 10:20 AM   #18
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Even if a 6th gen zl1 comes in at around 3800-3900 that is still considerably less than the current one, throw an lt4 in it with 650 HP and it will be a real contender.
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Old 10-17-2014, 07:55 PM   #19
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I would be shocked to see a mid engine Zora any time soon. I just don't see how GM can build a mid engine car on the C7 chassis. That would require modifying everything forward of the transmission. It would be a 75% brand new structure.

We haven't seen any mid engine mules running around and, with GM never having built a production mid engine car, I'm sure they would have to do a lot of testing.

Until I see a mid engine Corvette Zora ZR1 on stage I won't believe it. Same goes for a Camaro with the full potential of the LT4, as it sits now.
Fiero? Corvair?
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:54 PM   #20
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Fiero? Corvair?
Fair enough, I had forgotten about those two.
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:55 PM   #21
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You really think they are going to drop this motor in the 6th gen zl1? I will be first inline to order one at my local dealer if so..
Either 6th Gen ZL1 or 6th Gen Z/28 ... afterall, the Z/28 is the Camaro equivalent to the Corvette Z06. And of course, the LT4 could be reserved for the Corvette while Camaro's and Cadillac's are 'stuck' with an LT'A' that makes a bit less power out of an otherwise similar engine.

Point is ... don't count on a 6th Gen LT4 ZL1 when we could just as easily see a 6th Gen LTA Z/28
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They would continue to use the LSA?
They have discontinued something like 90-95% of all the engines they have ever made. Why would the LSA be an exception?
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Old 10-19-2014, 12:50 AM   #22
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I want to say the same hierarchy will follow with the new ZL1 and it will be a version of the LT4 with a smaller blower, revised heads and lesser internals. But, the ATS-V is getting a TT V6 and the CTS-V will cost alot more money than the last gen V and I think it will use the full on LT4 from the Vette. So that would leave only the Camaro to get a de-tuned version of the LT4 and I don't think that's going to happen either. Then you have Dodge dropping the hellcat bomb. Who the hell knows what GM has up their sleeve.
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:03 PM   #23
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Either 6th Gen ZL1 or 6th Gen Z/28 ... afterall, the Z/28 is the Camaro equivalent to the Corvette Z06. And of course, the LT4 could be reserved for the Corvette while Camaro's and Cadillac's are 'stuck' with an LT'A' that makes a bit less power out of an otherwise similar engine.

Point is ... don't count on a 6th Gen LT4 ZL1 when we could just as easily see a 6th Gen LTA Z/28
I don't think that analogy has necessarily held true for the entire Camaro/Corvette history. I, mean, sure, back in the SCCA days, but since then, have the two ever really had the same engine? Personally, I'm still hoping GM has a few more tricks hidden up their sleeve and they end up giving the 6th gen Z/28 (assuming there is one) the same kind of treatment they gave the C5 Z06. That is, a naturally aspirated, high output version of the LT1 (an LT6, if you will).
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Old 10-19-2014, 07:29 PM   #24
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I don't see the LT4 Z06 as the end of the Corvette story.
There were L88 twin turbo rumors right when the first LT4 CAD drawings were found.
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Old 10-19-2014, 09:00 PM   #25
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There were L88 twin turbo rumors right when the first LT4 CAD drawings were found.
Interesting also is that the 8L90 automatic is rated to 738 lb-ft. Leaves a lot of room above the LT4's 650 lb-ft for a monster engine worthy of the L88 name
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