[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Cody6.2

You're forgetting one thing here though, gearing.

The transmission and rear end ratios in the Mustang make much better use of the power it has available. Take a look at the actual torque per gear chart for both cars now.

All in all I don't see the weight reduction many of you are hoping for coming to fruition. The Mustang crowd thought it'd happen with the 2015 and it ended up weighing more. Each has to update for new safety requirements and that adds up quickly. In the end the new Camaro will most likely end up weighing the same but sport added power.

I didn't forget about gearing...I just didn't mention it. If GM wants to gear the Camaro higher than the Mustang and it end up being slower for that reason only...well thats a dumb move. I expect similar gearing options to the new Mustang.

As on weight, I don't think hoping for a lighter Camaro is as big of a stretch as it was with the Mustang. The Mustang is basically the same size, and added IRS, new saftety equipment, a stiffer chassis, and larger brakes.

The Camaro is not adding IRS, or brembos as those are already standard. There is of course possibly new crash/safety standards, but they are already starting on a proven modern platform. The Alpha platform that has already shown to be lighter than previous gen when you compare vehicles its being used in. Take for instance the new 2014 CTS on Alpha bases at 3,616 lbs, versus the 2013 model which based at over 3,800 lbs, and the new one actually grew in size a bit as well. The 2014 CTS V-Sport with the turbo V6 is the heaviest at over 3,900 lbs, where as the 2013 model was over 4,000 when you added in more options.

So based on that alone, if the Camaro does not change in size at all, it should drop a little weight.

Now there is evidence that the Camaro may shrink, and if so, that pretty much all buy guarantees a weight loss in my opinion.

So that said, I don't think we are setting ourselves up for dissapointment similar to the new Mustang when it comes to weight.

[DSX_Camaro]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I didn't forget about gearing...I just didn't mention it. If GM wants to gear the Camaro higher than the Mustang and it end up being slower for that reason only...well thats a dumb move. I expect similar gearing options to the new Mustang.

As on weight, I don't think hoping for a lighter Camaro is as big of a stretch as it was with the Mustang. The Mustang is basically the same size, and added IRS, new saftety equipment, a stiffer chassis, and larger brakes.

The Camaro is not adding IRS, or brembos as those are already standard. There is of course possibly new crash/safety standards, but they are already starting on a proven modern platform. The Alpha platform that has already shown to be lighter than previous gen when you compare vehicles its being used in. Take for instance the new 2014 CTS on Alpha bases at 3,616 lbs, versus the 2013 model which based at over 3,800 lbs, and the new one actually grew in size a bit as well. The 2014 CTS V-Sport with the turbo V6 is the heaviest at over 3,900 lbs, where as the 2013 model was over 4,000 when you added in more options.

So based on that alone, if the Camaro does not change in size at all, it should drop a little weight.

Now there is evidence that the Camaro may shrink, and if so, that pretty much all buy guarantees a weight loss in my opinion.

So that said, I don't think we are setting ourselves up for dissapointment similar to the new Mustang when it comes to weight.

Actually, I would expect an 8L60 and 8L80 for the V6 and SS models, with nothing higher than a 2.92 rear end ratio. The Corvette with the TR6070 already has a 2.56 and does 0-60 in first gear... I'd assume the Camaro will have the gearing advantage.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

Actually, I would expect an 8L60 and 8L80 for the V6 and SS models, with nothing higher than a 2.92 rear end ratio. The Corvette with the TR6070 already has a 2.56 and does 0-60 in first gear... I'd assume the Camaro will have the gearing advantage.

Right on, and another reason I didn't mention gearing ratios...because with new transmissions today having 8+ speeds, it changes what the end ratio really needs to be to have a good performance/efficency balance.

[shaffe]

I expect the camaro to lose some weight, I don't think it will be as drastic as some people in here think though.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I assumed the GT would gain around 100 lbs or so, but not 2 - 3 hundred. That would be a bit of a shocker.

There is a thread on this topic now on Mustang6G and its grown to 13+ pages since the story was posted earlier today. Needless to say they are in a tissy over the news. Maybe none of it is true????

Vader is correct...I see no reason the next Camaro SS if built on Alpha at ATS like dimensions can't come in at or under 3,700 lbs. Heck...the BASE 4 cylinder ATS is under 3,400 lbs. The V6 is around 3,450 - 3,500 lbs. So to me, a V8 equipped version should be doable at 3,650 lbs.

It just came out in the news the other day, the 2015 Mustang GT will gain 85lbs over the previous model....Not the porker you were hoping for

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

It just came out in the news the other day, the 2015 Mustang GT will gain 85lbs over the previous model....Not the porker you were hoping for

Yep, followed the whole thing closely.

As said in the quote I always assumed it would be about the same or gain up to 100 lbs. When they said up to 300 lbs I was shocked, but never believed it.

Guess I was right.

The early rumors said the Mustang would LOSE weight...which it did not. I even said there was no way GM would catch Ford in the weight department if the Mustang lost weight. But now that the Mustang has gained, I think GM can match or maybe even do better.

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

It just came out in the news the other day, the 2015 Mustang GT will gain 85lbs over the previous model....Not the porker you were hoping for

Ford still hasn't officially released the curb weight on the '15. A supposed leaked document doesn't mean it's true.

It's kinda fascinating how serious this rivalry is.

[EOD_Tech Infidel]

Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

Actually, I would expect an 8L60 and 8L80 for the V6 and SS models, with nothing higher than a 2.92 rear end ratio. The Corvette with the TR6070 already has a 2.56 and does 0-60 in first gear... I'd assume the Camaro will have the gearing advantage.

2.56 is a base model corvette 6l80 rear end ratio
2.72 for z51/Grand Sport
3.27 in the current Gen 5 Camaro 6l80
TR6070 in the '14 stingray corvette is 3.42 gears

IMO Gearing in the Camaro will be similar to current gen so acceleration is similar in performance due to the higher weight than the Vette.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Ford still hasn't officially released the curb weight on the '15. A supposed leaked document doesn't mean it's true.

It's kinda fascinating how serious this rivalry is.

Yea Camaro & Mustang owners is like mixing oil & water. At some point a fist fight is gonna break out

Ive owned both, I love both. I consider both to equal in my mind. The Mustang does some things better than the Camaro and vice versa.

[Cody6.2]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I didn't forget about gearing...I just didn't mention it. If GM wants to gear the Camaro higher than the Mustang and it end up being slower for that reason only...well thats a dumb move. I expect similar gearing options to the new Mustang.

As on weight, I don't think hoping for a lighter Camaro is as big of a stretch as it was with the Mustang. The Mustang is basically the same size, and added IRS, new saftety equipment, a stiffer chassis, and larger brakes.

The Camaro is not adding IRS, or brembos as those are already standard. There is of course possibly new crash/safety standards, but they are already starting on a proven modern platform. The Alpha platform that has already shown to be lighter than previous gen when you compare vehicles its being used in. Take for instance the new 2014 CTS on Alpha bases at 3,616 lbs, versus the 2013 model which based at over 3,800 lbs, and the new one actually grew in size a bit as well. The 2014 CTS V-Sport with the turbo V6 is the heaviest at over 3,900 lbs, where as the 2013 model was over 4,000 when you added in more options.

So based on that alone, if the Camaro does not change in size at all, it should drop a little weight.

Now there is evidence that the Camaro may shrink, and if so, that pretty much all buy guarantees a weight loss in my opinion.

So that said, I don't think we are setting ourselves up for dissapointment similar to the new Mustang when it comes to weight.

The chance of GM gearing the Camaro similarly to the Mustang is pretty slim. And it doesn't matter what current body work on the same platform has done. The Camaro will obviously not share body work so it's impossible to state whether or not there will be a significant weight loss.

[McRat]

The 2014 base 4 door Cadillac ATS weighs 3315lb at the curb.

I'd say a 3600lb V8 Camaro is viable.

Wait, isn't that what my 2000 SS Camaro M6 weighed without the spare tire?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by McRat

The 2015 base Cadillac ATS weighs 3373lb at the curb.

I'd say a 3600lb V8 Camaro is viable.

Wait, isn't that what my 2000 SS Camaro M6 weighed without the spare tire?

You aren't honestly trying to compare a 4th gen F body to the next gen Alpha based Camaro, are you?

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Slickcas

Also new government safety standards will add a lot of weight. Will be very difficult keeping weight on any vehicle. Even backup cameras are going to be government mandated on all cars from now on.

What mandated backup camaras ! LOL..... ppl are getting lazy! What happen to. taking the time to look over your shoulder! This world is scary!

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

What mandated backup camaras ! LOL..... ppl are getting lazy! What happen to. taking the time to look over your shoulder!

Hey, I hear ya. As a rule, I'm against these sorts of government mandates too, but I think that few would argue that the current Camaro is the most lookin-over-your-shoulder-friendly car out there. This car has a lot of virtues, but great rear visibility isn't among them. In other words, if there are any cars out there that will become a bit safer due to this mandate, I suspect the Camaro is probably among them.