The counter EV argument

Number 3 · 11-19-2021, 07:52 AM

Nothing really new here other than the break even for emissions is out closer to 100,000 miles.

https://apple.news/ADY6ksmCLQQ--dRRERQI_jA

Vtor_ZL1 · 11-19-2021, 08:00 AM

You mean you dont throw you car away at 100K ?

redcoats1976 · 11-19-2021, 08:06 AM

hope not,im at 70k now...

SSJ455 · 11-19-2021, 09:29 AM

You mean we are being lied to for an agenda?

10mm · 11-19-2021, 09:39 AM

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You mean we are being lied to for an agenda?

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Village Idiot · 11-19-2021, 09:45 AM

Only counter argument I need: I'm not buying one

Spaceme1117 · 11-19-2021, 10:18 AM

Not surprised at all.

I feel electric cars aren't much more than another scam/agenda pushed by a lying government and media.

Hops · 11-19-2021, 10:25 AM

Any Palmer wrote an opinion piece in the Financial Times, i pasted a good quote from the article:

https://www.ft.com/content/8b6cd7b6-...e-aa4e40ebe40c

Hydrogen, for example, could outperform batteries for efficiency when it comes to heavy goods vehicles and long-haul buses. Synthetic fuels may well continue to provide the drama, noise and excitement that make sports cars so special. And there will no doubt be engineers and scientists whose research will see them stumble upon the application of an environmentally friendly fuel that no one previously thought possible. In other words, politicians must avoid putting all of their eggs into one glovebox.

DaveC113 · 11-19-2021, 10:27 AM

I've been saying this for years... EVs are simply shifting the application of resources and are not necessarily more efficient vs ICE all things considered.

The main issue is we can't have billions of folks driving around 2-ton vehicles everywhere they go on a whim with no regard to it's true cost.

If you want an EV that actually uses less resources vs an ICE, that would be an electric bicycle.

ctrlz · 11-19-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveC113

The main issue is we can't have billions of folks driving around 2-ton vehicles everywhere they go on a whim with no regard to it's true cost.

Yeah, skip the EV push and ban school sports. All these moms and dads carting these kids around to games and practices. Useless. About 0.001% of them will go on to careers in athletics, while about 60% will just join the ranks of America's worst healthcare crisis-- OBESITY!
Oh, and I carted my kids too. But I knew the reality.

90503 · 11-19-2021, 10:46 AM

EVs were never going to be a workable or affordable alternative or choice.

They are a distraction and rouse to achieve the destruction of the U.S. fossil fuel industry regardless of the consequences to U.S. citizens.

Nilly Welson · 11-19-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SSJ455

You mean we are being lied to for an agenda?

Yep...exactly. China's agenda.

sandm · 11-19-2021, 11:26 AM

ev's fit a need for some and if used in the right way, can be a net zero on the environment once they are put into service.

ex- guy at work has a tesla model 3. he works overnights. he charges his car during the day off his solar on his house. that's environmentally good for the world compared to ice's.

but that's not everyone....

in the end, I think ev's can coexist with ice's but to sell the as the end all be all... that's not speaking the whole truth on how treehugger-friendly they really are...

3.8TransAM · 11-19-2021, 12:05 PM

What's better than having a massively subsidized fuel industry for ICE? Building a massively subsidized market for electric vehicles on top of it. Government is not your friend, nor smart. Think of them as HR at work, unneeded, pretty much useless and no one is really sure what they actually do.

11-19-2021, 07:52 AM	#1
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	The counter EV argument Nothing really new here other than the break even for emissions is out closer to 100,000 miles. https://apple.news/ADY6ksmCLQQ--dRRERQI_jA __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

11-19-2021, 08:00 AM	#2
Vtor_ZL1 Who Needs to KNOW? Drives: 18 ZLE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Left Side of the Moon Posts: 1,771	You mean you dont throw you car away at 100K ? __________________ ing for grip. Are you in the NY/NJ/PA/CT region? Join us for autox fun at MetLife Stadium. HUGE lots, tons of runs. http://www.motorsportsne.com/

11-19-2021, 09:29 AM	#4
SSJ455 Drives: "Kara Zor-El" 2017 2SS HBM Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 2,036 View My Garage	You mean we are being lied to for an agenda? __________________ Lead me not into temptation. I already know the way. Lana? Lana? LANA! LAAANAAAA!!!! What? Dangerzoooooone.

11-19-2021, 10:25 AM	#8
Hops Drives: 2019 1ss 1le, blue wrap Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 633	Any Palmer wrote an opinion piece in the Financial Times, i pasted a good quote from the article: https://www.ft.com/content/8b6cd7b6-...e-aa4e40ebe40c Hydrogen, for example, could outperform batteries for efficiency when it comes to heavy goods vehicles and long-haul buses. Synthetic fuels may well continue to provide the drama, noise and excitement that make sports cars so special. And there will no doubt be engineers and scientists whose research will see them stumble upon the application of an environmentally friendly fuel that no one previously thought possible. In other words, politicians must avoid putting all of their eggs into one glovebox.

11-19-2021, 10:27 AM	#9
DaveC113 Drives: 2018 Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 1,868	I've been saying this for years... EVs are simply shifting the application of resources and are not necessarily more efficient vs ICE all things considered. The main issue is we can't have billions of folks driving around 2-ton vehicles everywhere they go on a whim with no regard to it's true cost. If you want an EV that actually uses less resources vs an ICE, that would be an electric bicycle. __________________

11-19-2021, 08:06 AM	#3
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	hope not,im at 70k now...

11-19-2021, 09:45 AM	#6
Village Idiot Drives: 2019 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 208	Only counter argument I need: I'm not buying one

11-19-2021, 10:18 AM	#7
Spaceme1117 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS, 2011 Corvette GS Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Erlanger, Kentucky 41018 Posts: 815	Not surprised at all. I feel electric cars aren't much more than another scam/agenda pushed by a lying government and media.

11-19-2021, 10:46 AM	#11
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,428	EVs were never going to be a workable or affordable alternative or choice. They are a distraction and rouse to achieve the destruction of the U.S. fossil fuel industry regardless of the consequences to U.S. citizens.

11-19-2021, 11:26 AM	#13
sandm Drives: no more camaro :( Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: sin city Posts: 218	ev's fit a need for some and if used in the right way, can be a net zero on the environment once they are put into service. ex- guy at work has a tesla model 3. he works overnights. he charges his car during the day off his solar on his house. that's environmentally good for the world compared to ice's. but that's not everyone.... in the end, I think ev's can coexist with ice's but to sell the as the end all be all... that's not speaking the whole truth on how treehugger-friendly they really are...

11-19-2021, 12:05 PM	#14
3.8TransAM Drives: SS 1LE, 89 TTA, 91 GTA, 91 Formula Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: NW IN Posts: 600	What's better than having a massively subsidized fuel industry for ICE? Building a massively subsidized market for electric vehicles on top of it. Government is not your friend, nor smart. Think of them as HR at work, unneeded, pretty much useless and no one is really sure what they actually do.

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