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Old 03-31-2015, 06:02 PM   #197
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Is anyone here fearful that the 200+ lbs of weight lost could be a comparison between....say the 5th gen base car, versus the 6th gen base car with the 4 cylinder?

I mean...I'm as excited about this as anyone (as you can see from my past posts in this thread). I've always predicted that the base Camaro SS would end up somewhere near 3,700 lbs, and the V6 model around 3,500 - 3,550. If true, that would be sweet.

But I just wish we'd have confirmation that "yes, 200 difference between base SS models, or base V6 models" or something of that sort.

I doubt we will get final weight, or power figures on launch day either, so we could be waiting quite a good while to know the answer to this question.
You know this is going to be a complicated answer.

I'm putting my $ on the fact that GM didn't want to BS anyone or get called out with a "but you said............."

The quote was "AT LEAST 200 pounds" If that turns out to have an * in it that means "excludes 1SS, 2SS and 1LE models, direct comparison to V6 models does not apply" then GM is simply playing games with themselves. I don't believe this to be the case however.

The "AT LEAST" may also simply be the cover that there simply is no longer an apples to apples comparison. There may be more standard equipment for example that would make it harder to compare.

I do believe the "AT LEAST" means V6 to V6 or SS to SS and the base car with a 2.0T (has that been announced to even be in the program ) would weigh even less.

The issue is not many on this website really care that a 2.0T weighs 3,500 pounds. What most care about is the SS weighs less than the Mustang GT and that is outperforms the GT.

So just like the HP will be announced as "AT LEAST........." I think the weight is the same. It frankly wouldn't surprise me if the base LS came in closer to 300 pounds less. Although that would be nice........................no one here will car much unless the SS comes in 200 pounds less 1SS to 1SS.

But as I've suggested, everyone should go to a Cadillac dealer and sit in the awesome ATS. It is not a big car. If I shot a picture of the ATS sedan in my garage right now sitting next to an SS which is ZETA based you would be quite shocked. And those cars are only about 450 or so pounds apart.
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:34 PM   #198
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I just drive around with less than a 1/4 tank of gas....a savings of 138 pounds!
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:34 PM   #199
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On the caption under the instrument panel piece it also had this little quote that many have overlooked. "Changes like this help reduce total curb weight for the new Camaro by more than 200 pounds."
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:37 PM   #200
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"... the team pared more than 200 pounds off the Camaro.."

I'm taking that to mean that when comparably equipped the V6 and V8 will lose at least 200 pounds. That might mean the the V6 loses 230 pounds and the V8 loses 201 pounds or vice versa.

To me anything other than that interpretation would be less than truthful and would not generate good will.
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:53 PM   #201
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Can we apply a common sense approach to this? Hear me out. A LS currently weighs approximately 150 lbs less than an SS currently right? Is it in anyway possible that a T4 could weigh 200 lbs less than the V6 car?


So to compare anything other than equivalents would make no sense. To advertise 200 lbs between the V8 5th gen and V6 or T4 6th gen would be pointless. All of that effort and to save 50 lbs? Advertising 200 when it was just 50?

The only way you put out 200lbs is if it is somewhat comparable models (trim levels will most likely have new equipment so an exact apples to apples may not be possible). Even Ford did not lie on the trucks. May have been a little skewed, but it was true. I don't see GM creating this much hype for it unless it's somewhat across the board options excluded.

I only say options excluded because if Mag ride is an SS option, it will negate the weight savings. I would not be surprised if the Hi-Po options use more composites to negate the weight of the bigger heavier power train.

My guess is base models get more standard steel/aluminum parts. SS and above start getting more and more composites. I would not be surprised to see CF on the Z models.
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Old 03-31-2015, 07:36 PM   #202
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OMG people....a 2016 SS will weigh at least 200lbs less than a 2015 SS similarly equipped.

I'm willing to put my $$$ where my mouth is if anyone wants some action (I hope this doesn't break a rule...sorry in advance)
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Old 03-31-2015, 07:58 PM   #203
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Can we apply a common sense approach to this? Hear me out. A LS currently weighs approximately 150 lbs less than an SS currently right? Is it in anyway possible that a T4 could weigh 200 lbs less than the V6 car?


So to compare anything other than equivalents would make no sense. To advertise 200 lbs between the V8 5th gen and V6 or T4 6th gen would be pointless. All of that effort and to save 50 lbs? Advertising 200 when it was just 50?

The only way you put out 200lbs is if it is somewhat comparable models (trim levels will most likely have new equipment so an exact apples to apples may not be possible). Even Ford did not lie on the trucks. May have been a little skewed, but it was true. I don't see GM creating this much hype for it unless it's somewhat across the board options excluded.

I only say options excluded because if Mag ride is an SS option, it will negate the weight savings. I would not be surprised if the Hi-Po options use more composites to negate the weight of the bigger heavier power train.

My guess is base models get more standard steel/aluminum parts. SS and above start getting more and more composites. I would not be surprised to see CF on the Z models.
ATS coupe with 6 cylinder weighs about 110 pounds or so more than the 4 cylinder. So, let's say the 2016 Camaro 4 cylinder is 200 pounds lighter than the 2015 v6. That would put the 4 cylinder at about 3,500 pounds so a 6 would probably be around 3,610 judging by the ATS 4 cylinder to 6 cylinder weight difference..

I don't think the above scenario is the case. I also think that it lost 200 pounds from trim to trim..
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:11 PM   #204
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The ATS's size and weight are no longer a factor in this. GM has said that the Camaro will be different in size. So a difference in weight, as well, only stands to reason. Regardless, I fully expect a 200lbs loss, apples to apples. The ONLY THING that makes sense if you read the info. Anything else would be misleading- deliberate at this point as the car should be locked in by now and they KNOW the production weight.
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:17 PM   #205
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I want a 3700 pound Omega based Camaro. That is all.
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:19 PM   #206
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I also just read that the omega platform CT6 is expected to be 7-series BMW sized and only weigh 3700ish. Granted, more premium materials, but GM clearly knows how to shave weight with their new architecture.
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:20 PM   #207
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I want a 3700 pound Omega based Camaro. That is all.
Yes to this. (that CT6 is a marvel of engineering too)
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:21 PM   #208
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I want a 3700 pound Omega based Camaro. That is all.

Funny you posted as I was typing. If they can get the omega platform to 3700, no reason the smaller Alpha can't.
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:22 PM   #209
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I want a 3700 pound Omega based Camaro. That is all.
why? isnt it just a bigger alpha variant?
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:24 PM   #210
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2016 Camaro weight is at least 200 pounds lighter than 5th gen (March 30 update)

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why? isnt it just a bigger alpha variant?

The Camaro is on a bigger Alpha. The Omega is a full sized platform. Completely different than the Alpha
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