Goodbye

[InFiD3ViL]

Originally Posted by gringo

Trading in the whole car just because the timing chain needs to be replaced? Uh, I don't know about that. Last time I checked, these cars are still worth some bucks. A new timing chain wouldn't cost more than the value of the car.

However, I understand that some people get sick of vehicles and when a large repair bill crops up, they rather just trade it in on something else.

I wonder if the trade-in dealer knows about the timing chain code and if that affected the value.

It's possible the terms he got for the new car are fantastic. Could have been zero/low down on something with a great warranty.
As you said, some people just don't want to deal with the headache of a repair like that. If a daily driver, it's hard to have any downtime at all when a problem like this happens.

Our love for these cars makes it difficult to understand that some people just aren't as enthralled by the Camaro as most of us here are. For others, it's just another 'white good' or disposable item after a few years. If the Camaro truly had an effect on him, he will probably be back in a few years when the situation changes. Most of us would have a very hard time walking away from the Camaro unless going to a Vette or another muscle car. If not, best of luck to him.

I don't understand some people's hard feelings.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

It's possible the terms he got for the new car are fantastic. Could have been zero/low down on something with a great warranty.
As you said, some people just don't want to deal with the headache of a repair like that. If a daily driver, it's hard to have any downtime at all when a problem like this happens.

Our love for these cars makes it difficult to understand that some people just aren't as enthralled by the Camaro as most of us here are. For others, it's just another 'white good' or disposable item after a few years. If the Camaro truly had an effect on him, he will probably be back in a few years when the situation changes. Most of us would have a very hard time walking away from the Camaro unless going to a Vette or another muscle car. If not, best of luck to him.

I don't understand some people's hard feelings.

[gringo]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

If it were a large repair bill on an engine with a reputation for being problematic, I would trade it as well.

What's so problematic about the LLT?

Once you do the timing chain and related components, it's fairly reliable after that. No engine these days is going to be absolutely bullet proof unless we're talking about the old 22r or something.

Why do I mention that particular engine? Well, because I had one in an '88 Toyota PU with 450k+ original miles and it ran like a top. Yeah, it consumed oil a little bit, but it ran good and always passed smog.

The pic just strikes me as being sad seeing that beautiful IOM Camaro sitting at a Nissan dealer ready to be traded in a sea of boring family sedans and CUV's.

[CamaroFred]

Even if it's $1200, if it runs for another year that's only $100/month. A lot less than a new car payment.
But, these things are subjective. What other repairs may come up? How is the interior/body, etc?
A new car is always nice, of course, it will be more reliable, have updated features... if you can afford it.

[Ynkeeraidr]

Originally Posted by $inferno

Well its time I say goodbye. We traded our 2010 IOM Camaro in today. It was sad to see it go but it needed more work than it was worth. We kept up regular maintenance but the timing chain code showed up. Well it was fun! Have a good one!

Enjoy your new ride! If it doesn't work out, buy another Camaro (SS V8??) subliminal message being sent.

[jshaf]

been on here since early 2010, alot of folks have moved on, just the nature of things. Personally have thought about trading but just can't bring myself to do it. to each there own!

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by jshaf

been on here since early 2010, alot of folks have moved on, just the nature of things. Personally have thought about trading but just can't bring myself to do it. to each there own!

If it weren't for direct injection, the interior and higher price, I would consider a 2019 SS 6M coupe.

[weSS1LEy]

Keep it! LS swap it lol !! I love that colour too!

[gringo]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

If it weren't for direct injection, the interior and higher price, I would consider a 2019 SS 6M coupe.

Really, even with the yucky update they did for '19? I thought us 5th gen owners were more than just people who can't afford a brand new 6th gen.

Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't buy one.

[weSS1LEy]

What’s wrong with direct injection? Is it the carbon? I do love my ls3

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by gringo

Really, even with the yucky update they did for '19? I thought us 5th gen owners were more than just people who can't afford a brand new 6th gen.

Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't buy one.

I love the '19 SS front end and higher cowl.

Originally Posted by weSS1LEy

What’s wrong with direct injection? Is it the carbon? I do love my ls3

Yes, I'm reading really bad things about the long term expectations across all brands.

[gringo]

Direct injection is not that bad and once you put a catch can on it, you eliminate most of the carbon coking problems associated with it.

However, most people who lease or trade them in every 3 years probably won't care nor add a catch can.

I think GM will eventually add port fuel injection to their direct injection fuel system on the upcoming LT2 though. Other manufacturers are doing it already to their direct injected engines to eliminate the valve coking maintenance issue with D.I.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by gringo

...I think GM will eventually add port fuel injection to their direct injection fuel system on the upcoming LT2 though. Other manufacturers are doing it already to their direct injected engines to eliminate the valve coking maintenance issue with D.I.

Ford placed a direct/port injection engine in the 2018+ Mustang GT and they're failing at an abysmal rate - many with less than 10K miles.

I'll stick with the tried and true.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

Ford placed a direct/port injection engine in the 2018+ Mustang GT and they're failing at an abysmal rate - many with less than 10K miles.

I'll stick with the tried and true.

It has nothing to do with the fuel delivery system but a lot to do with the new cylinder coating I believe. OP sorry to see you go but that time will come for most of us. I'm currently considering moving up to a C7 Vette & go back and forth on the idea. But I'm still here for now..........