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Old 12-10-2017, 03:18 PM   #1
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Whipple SS or zl1?

Hey guys, so I currently own a 2010 SS. My plan has been to do a Whipple Supercharger on it. I have been looking around for a ZL1 though and I found a good deal for a 2015 ZL1. What do you guys think is a better choice power wise and price wise? ZL1 is going for $43k. I’m assuming about $20-$30k into the ss after all mods and tuning are done. Thanks for any feedback!
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:25 PM   #2
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ZL1, but you can find them cheaper than 43k.

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Old 12-10-2017, 05:32 PM   #3
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To install a whipple should be no where near 30k even with clutch and fuel plus zl1 rear end, and I ha e seen zl1s for mid 30s
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Old 12-10-2017, 05:35 PM   #4
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I have seen some ZL1s in the 30s range. Just not in my area.
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Old 12-10-2017, 06:09 PM   #5
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And if you any good with working on cars have you considered installing it your self? You will save alot of $$$
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Old 12-10-2017, 06:47 PM   #6
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I agree that the Whipple will be nowhere near $20-$30k. And if it is...you're being ripped off. Install it yourself if you've got any mechanical skills. I put on my Kenne Bell in my garage with basic hand tools and about 30ish hours. And I think the Whipple is a bit easier yet because of the front inlet vs the rear of the KB.

All that being said...the ZL1 is tough to beat. You get so much more than just the LSA engine there. The bulletproof iron differential....bigger axles....bigger driveshaft. Mag ride suspension. It's just a superior beast all the way around. And I've seen highly modified 700 rwhp ZL1's for sale for low $30's.
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Old 12-10-2017, 07:08 PM   #7
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I agree that the Whipple will be nowhere near $20-$30k. And if it is...you're being ripped off. Install it yourself if you've got any mechanical skills. I put on my Kenne Bell in my garage with basic hand tools and about 30ish hours. And I think the Whipple is a bit easier yet because of the front inlet vs the rear of the KB.

All that being said...the ZL1 is tough to beat. You get so much more than just the LSA engine there. The bulletproof iron differential....bigger axles....bigger driveshaft. Mag ride suspension. It's just a superior beast all the way around. And I've seen highly modified 700 rwhp ZL1's for sale for low $30's.
Yeah that was my mindset too. The ZL1 comes Supercharger ready. Ontop of the fact that i go up from there too.
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Old 12-10-2017, 07:21 PM   #8
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:09 PM   #9
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Yea , I’d go ZL1 .. I love my 2014 1LE . If I was in the market .. Right now .. ZL1-1LE ..
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:02 AM   #10
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I also have a 2010 SS, and went the Whipple route, and had it installed and dyno tuned. If you just go with the supercharger and tune and have it installed I would think it would be in the $8K range.
To really obtain the awesome potential of a Whipple Blower it really makes sense to add a BTR blower cam, springs, retainers, timing chain, rocker upgrade, etc to make some killer power. That will add about $2+K more.
That got me to about 700 HP in the Engine and 632 Dyno'd RWHP with a 4.0 pully and a MILD tune that is easy on the stock engine internals.
Then with that kind of power ya gotta do some suspension work to try to put that level of power to the ground, avoid wheel hop, and add some durability, as it will fry the snot out of any Meats you may put on the car at any speed.
So yeah - to do it right spending $20K or so is realistic and you will have a ride that has more power than a stock ZL1 and will handle just as well, but the trade off is installing all of the mods or paying someone to do it versus buying something ready to go.
As always it is a personal decision. I considered buying a ZL1 ready to go when I retired, but I love to wrench and Mod so that was the route I went and prob spent less $$ in doing so, and had a lot of fun in doing so.
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:10 AM   #11
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I also have a 2010 SS, and went the Whipple route, and had it installed and dyno tuned. If you just go with the supercharger and tune and have it installed I would think it would be in the $8K range.
To really obtain the awesome potential of a Whipple Blower it really makes sense to add a BTR blower cam, springs, retainers, timing chain, rocker upgrade, etc to make some killer power. That will add about $2+K more.
That got me to about 700 HP in the Engine and 632 Dyno'd RWHP with a 4.0 pully and a MILD tune that is easy on the stock engine internals.
Then with that kind of power ya gotta do some suspension work to try to put that level of power to the ground, avoid wheel hop, and add some durability, as it will fry the snot out of any Meats you may put on the car at any speed.
So yeah - to do it right spending $20K or so is realistic and you will have a ride that has more power than a stock ZL1 and will handle just as well, but the trade off is installing all of the mods or paying someone to do it versus buying something ready to go.
As always it is a personal decision. I considered buying a ZL1 ready to go when I retired, but I love to wrench and Mod so that was the route I went and prob spent less $$ in doing so, and had a lot of fun in doing so.
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nice build! where in Michigan are you?
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:49 AM   #12
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Hey guys, so I currently own a 2010 SS. My plan has been to do a Whipple Supercharger on it. I have been looking around for a ZL1 though and I found a good deal for a 2015 ZL1. What do you guys think is a better choice power wise and price wise? ZL1 is going for $43k. I’m assuming about $20-$30k into the ss after all mods and tuning are done. Thanks for any feedback!
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:01 AM   #13
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if you can pocket it, the ZL1 is a purdy package.....

ZL1's come ready to jam.
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Old 12-11-2017, 12:22 PM   #14
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nice build! where in Michigan are you?
I agree, nice looking car.


I would go ZL1, just more to work with. If you ever plan on trying to get more power you can keep going with the ZL1.
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