Pure gas vs 10% ethanol

[Pete M]

OK guys play nice..
All I did was ask if I would see any difference running pure gas vs 10% ethanol enhanced..Why so much hate here?
Geez

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by Russell James

I'll be grumpy and opionated and not care who it may or may not offend.

Corn is garbage, end of story.

It's a garbage food source for human or livestock. It's basically a cheap variant of sugar with no nutritional value.

The outer part of the kernel is inedible and is an intestinal irritant. Have a little diverticulitis and want to end up in the hospital wishing death was near... eat a bunch of corn. The inner part of the kernel is a carb/sugar.

Want a good steak? Think grass fed, hormone free. Same thing with chicken, turkey...

A cow fattened up on corn feed and shot full of hormones is one nutritionally screwed up and unhealthy animal. Think of that fat kid in grade school that grew up on McDonalds, Coke and video games. The track stars and football players on the other side of the coin are eating a balanced diet, not primarly sugar carbs.

If we were running out of oil, corn converted to ethanol is an alternative worth pursuing. We are not. Oil is abundant. So, it's absolutely rediculous to be paying farmers to grow corn and artificially creating a demand for subsidized corn, subsidized E85.... Pull that governement (taxpayers) money out of those markets and watch the excitement about growing corn go away. Figure out a way to convince farmers to produce nutrional vegetables, grass fed cattle, bison, emu. There is so much more out there that could be profitable, nutritional, plentiful... instead we pay farmers to grow a garage crop.

Let's summarize. Oil is abundant. Americans have the worst nutionally screwed up diet in the world, and highest rates of diabetes and dimentia.

School us again how corn is an awesome crop?

You forgot to add GMO to the mix dude.

Totally disagree with some of the football piggy looking types, but that_is_an_other_story, and topic lol ; ).

But I do agree with you on the other points.

A doctor across the pond, advised me, never to touch our corn here again for my personal consumption.

Not because it's "corn", but because of what us geniuses_of_a_species have done with it.

Look at wheat, and compare it to the "same plant" grown in the days of Christ , side to side if you can get away with it .

Then, and only then, some may wake up and go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....", lol.

Yes, I do find this funny, because of you aint gonna laugh, then you will surely must cry.

Ironically, I'd love to feed Sledge some E85 .

I'd call Ted @ Jannetty up in a jiffy, and have him (for a nominal fee of course ), ping me over a nice E85 tune, after my datatalog to him of course, and then, things would become even more evil and interesting .

[Skillet]

I like popcorn

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by Vike222

Thank you for giving up!!! You are a piece of work otherwise have a good evening.

I would like to admit you guys overwhelmed with you're" facts" on this subject and I will gladly buy you a glass of MTBE to celebrate your "victory"! Not sure you fuel experts know what that is.

[Vike222]

Well the answer to your question is Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether

I am old enough to remember Tetraethy Lead in gas and this was phased out in the early 1980s by MTBE. Both were added to gas to increase the octane rating and promote complete combustion. Then at the end of 2002 MTBE was mostly replaced with ethanol.

I guess that I am one of those people you (cornfield) stated in an earlier post that sat in a cubicle in research and was a Chemistry nerd who understands that MTBE and Ethanol have the extra atoms of oxygen that yields higher octane and promotes complete combustion in gasoline.

What really needs to happen in the gasoline industry is to find a gas that will have an additive that has a sufficient oxygen atoms in its covalent bonding chain and does not increase phase separation, yields a higher octane, increases MPG, promotes complete combustion, and does not degrade certain elastomers (rubber materials) in the fuel delivery system. By the way ethanol does actually degrade some elastomers LOOK IT UP!!!

Right now ethanol yields only two attributes (octane & complete combustion) and we the tax payers subsidize to keep this ethanol business afloat.

If all the farm land used the United States to plant corn were used to produce ethanol it would only generate enough capacity of 12% required for our gas consumption

Now it is true that ethanol may generate less emissions per gallon, but keep in mind it has about 10% less (energy) MPG. So you will burn 10% more of this product to get you to your destination than non-ethanol gas..

So in my opinion ethanol gasoline lacks 3 of the 5 attributes and does not meet my expectations and the additional cost say .20 per gallon (non-ethanol) almost makes it close to a break even cost when you consider the MPG advantage.

[yuinbu]

Only benefit may be slightly better gas mileage since ethanol's combustion energy is lower.

[CamaroCracka]

Originally Posted by sherob

Let's see why industrial hemp isn't such a big hit... 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act killed hemp. Until then, it was a huge industrial crop... used for paper, clothing, pretty much everything... our Declaration Of Independence was printed on hemp... In 1942, the government lifted the ban and encouraged farmers to cultivate hemp to help with our war effort, distributing a film called "Hemp for Victory" produced by the USDA. This relaxation of the law against hemp was terminated in 1957, and continues under the Controlled Substance Act.

Now you have huge lobbyists (corn, oil, wood) that don't want hemp to succeed... when people hear the word hemp, they automatically think marijuana, not a crop that you can smoke and never high on because it has virtually zero THC in it. Because we ban it here, and we fund other governments drug enforcement agencies, they follow our lead.

But you are seeing some small uses in car part manufacturing now. Canada is starting to use it for fuel. Hemp seeds for nutrition. Hemp oil in shampoos, soaps, bath oils, sun screens and tanning oils, and cosmetics. In Europe, natural household cleaners.

It isn't about what others south of us pay for a tortilla, it's about what we are going to pay for our products here. Anything that relies on corn, and it's byproducts, are being impacted since we are using a food source to create an oxygenating agent. Why subsidize anyone?

Completely agree on getting rid of subsidies. Getting rid of the ethanol subsidy would not increase the price enough to make a difference to most racers. $2/gal still beats the hell out of $8/gal for race gas.

However, your answer on hemp still does not address why other countries are not using it much more if it makes so much sense.

Originally Posted by Russell James

Want a good steak? Think grass fed, hormone free. Same thing with chicken, turkey...

A cow fattened up on corn feed and shot full of hormones is one nutritionally screwed up and unhealthy animal. Think of that fat kid in grade school that grew up on McDonalds, Coke and video games. The track stars and football players on the other side of the coin are eating a balanced diet, not primarly sugar carbs.

Actually the steak from the fat kid is exactly what you want. Lots of marbling. A steak from an athlete would be tough as hell. They cut the nuts off calves to make steers for a reason and it's not for the cows health.

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

Actually the steak from the fat kid is exactly what you want. Lots of marbling. A steak from an athlete would be tough as hell. They cut the nuts off calves to make steers for a reason and it's not for the cows health.

Sorry, it's not marbling. It's huge areas throughout the animal of a gelatinous mass that's neither muscle or fat. It's just plain gross.

They grind it up and make all kinds of interesting "beef" products out of it.

[sherob]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

However, your answer on hemp still does not address why other countries are not using it much more if it makes so much sense.

No other country, besides Brazil, uses ethanol anything close to what we do... not even close.

Brazil uses 3x what we do, and they use sugarcane... but they've been doing it for 40 years and are very efficient doing it their way.

The EU uses sugarcane, wheat, corn, and sugar beats... wheat being the main crop.

The general acceptance of hemp, "marijuana" in the mainstream populations uneducated term, is just coming to be accepted. Change takes time. It is starting to be used in more applications... eventually it will make it's debut here as well.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

I would like to admit you guys overwhelmed with you're" facts" on this subject and I will gladly buy you a glass of MTBE to celebrate your "victory"! Not sure you fuel experts know what that is.

Wait I thought you gave up ? Please do , The educated people know better than to ingest that garbage into their body , therefore they also know the hidden costs of that so called cheap source of food and fuel , Just keep mowing down that corn and cashing your check that we Americans pay for

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by MBS

Wait I thought you gave up ? Please do , The educated people know better than to ingest that garbage into their body , therefore they also know the hidden costs of that so called cheap source of food and fuel , Just keep mowing down that corn and cashing your check that we Americans pay for

Easy there Mr. Educated! Have some more lettuce raised in Mexico and fertilized with human feces. I just love all the BS on this forum by "educated" people. Sorry I responded, send me the bill for your free glass of MTBE, on the rocks?

[BMR Sales]

Switchgrass has been proven to give a Higher Energy Yield than corn as well

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...nol-than-corn/

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by BMR Sales

Switchgrass has been proven to give a Higher Energy Yield than corn as well

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...nol-than-corn/

Yes, but can you use Switchgrass to switch cornhole camaro?

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

Yes, but can you use Switchgrass to switch cornhole camaro?

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