Pure gas vs 10% ethanol

[Ragnar]

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[EWade]

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

All the subsidies have ended, smart guy. And I don't think you eat any # 2 corn that I produce. Only livestock eat it. You have no idea about your food.

Wow, I haul lots of #2 Corn to a processor, it's not all going to cattle feed... LOL

Hell one of the largest processors is in my city, ADM, and they squeeze everything they can out of corn for all kinds of uses from ethanol to food ingredients used by all kinds of processed foods. The cattle feed is a by product from what is left over with the processing they do. Hate to figure out what all they produce out of corn they take in.

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by EWade

Wow, I haul lots of #2 Corn to a processor, it's not all going to cattle feed... LOL

Hell one of the largest processors is in my city, ADM, and they squeeze everything they can out of corn for all kinds of uses from ethanol to food ingredients used by all kinds of processed foods. The cattle feed is a by product from what is left over with the processing they do. Hate to figure out what all they produce out of corn they take in.

Yes i know that stuff. What stirs me up is all the statements here negative about ethanol is not based on personal experience, only on a preconcieved opinion which came from some internet stuff. Not real life experience. Ethanol is a much better oxgenate than MTBE and can make your car fast! You don't buy a SS Camaro to get 50 mpg. For performance it's great stuff. I'll say this,,,It will get 30% less mileage

[Mr. Stacy]

Corn fed beef. The corn is so nasty they have to pump the cows full of antibiotics to keep them alive. All that trickles down to your dinner table.

Go to the grocery store and 9 out of 10 items has corn in it. Not the good, sweet, juicy corn they grow in Idaho that you can eat right off the stalk. The high yeald poison corn that's manufactured into oil, starch, syrup and other gross food additives. It would literally kill you if you ate it as it grows.

I don't care what else they do with it, I only put it in my car because I am forced to.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

All the subsidies have ended, smart guy. And I don't think you eat any # 2 corn that I produce. Only livestock eat it. You have no idea about your food.

Wrong Right and Wrong CornyO. Obama has signed in a new bill for hundreds of millions going to the Corn Industry. And your right I dont eat your #2 corn , And Yes I do know what is in my food , And if it has your garbage corn in it I dont eat that shit .

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by MBS

Wrong Right and Wrong CornyO. Obama has signed in a new bill for hundreds of millions going to the Corn Industry. And your right I dont eat your #2 corn , And Yes I do know what is in my food , And if it has your garbage corn in it I dont eat that shit .

I'm so glad all you people who work in cubies know EVERYTHING that's not necessarily correct. But keep on expressing your opinion as that's your right. I deliver grain to ethanol plants and just cannot fathom the hatred of a product I help produce and use. So many things said that aren't true. That's the way it is in the USA today....sooooo much BS to sort through thanks to social media. I've tried telling you guys facts as I see them and if there were more negatives such as less mileage I would tell you. I've been running for 6 yrs. in a basically stock Buick GN and a KB supercharged Camaro for 2 yrs. with no problems but i guess that means nothing. I give up on you guys.

[Vike222]

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

I'm so glad all you people who work in cubies know EVERYTHING that's not necessarily correct. But keep on expressing your opinion as that's your right. I deliver grain to ethanol plants and just cannot fathom the hatred of a product I help produce and use. So many things said that aren't true. That's the way it is in the USA today....sooooo much BS to sort through thanks to social media. I've tried telling you guys facts as I see them and if there were more negatives such as less mileage I would tell you. I've been running for 6 yrs. in a basically stock Buick GN and a KB supercharged Camaro for 2 yrs. with no problems but i guess that means nothing. I give up on you guys.

Thank you for giving up!!! You are a piece of work otherwise have a good evening.

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by rock1962

I only use pure gas, gas stations here do not charge extra for premium with pure gas. Canadian Tire and Shell premium is pure gas here, all the rest here have 10% ethanol.

You forgot Esso Supreme 91AKI as well. 0% Ethanol.

Trust me, I called them ; )

Nonetheless, I use Petro Canada 94AKI, with up to 10% Ethanol. I'm OK with it, no problems thus far, and I store the car without additives, for 5-6 months every year.

As per that Jay Leno episode on Ethanol fuel system additives, will my gas tank and fuel system rust out after a decade or so? Mind you, I'm sure their California gas is even higher in Ethanol, and crappier and more corrosive than ours, but I'll keep an open mind here, and listen in to the feedback.

[sherob]

I'm Sure Mexico is happier to see their tortilla prices sore thru the roof due to ethanol. Since 2005, it cost them between $1.5B - $3.2B in higher corn prices... on average $250M-$500M a year increase.

Corn prices will increase 12% due to ethanol use in 2017, which will increase dairy and beef products that depend on corn.

What other things could be used to create ethanol? How about industrial hemp! Industrial hemp uses less water, no pesticides, virtually no fertilizer, and can be grown in marginal soil. It produces 40% more ethanol per acre than corn, makes a great bio-diesel with 80% less carbon dioxide and almost no sulfur emissions. Industrial hemp matures in as little as 100 days, and produces 4 times a year! Compare all of this to corn!

It wan't that long ago we used hemp to make rope, paper, clothing, our flags! Henry Ford intended to run his cars on fuel made from hemp... his first model T was made from hemp!

[CamaroCracka]

Not that I care what Chico pays for a tortilla, but I'd run alcohol made from pixie dust if it got the job done. I don't even care if they import sugar based ethanol. However, something tells me there is more to the industrial hemp thing or other countries would be making more of it. Nonetheless, E85 does not make sense for my car at this point (despite our cars being able to do E85 by just adding a sensor and tuning it in) since I would have to get bigger injectors on top of the conversion.

Other sites where racing is the central theme love alcohol. Not sure the point of the hate for it on here, but to each his own. I run e10 in all my small engines too, but down here they don't sit up over the winter. Only problem I ever had was when I had to clean the jet on my generator, which was not a big deal. After that I started using additive for the gas that may sit for any length of time. If the options are 91 with no alcohol or 93 with, give me the E10. I'd rather subsidize a farmer than the "clean" energy crooks.

[sherob]

Let's see why industrial hemp isn't such a big hit... 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act killed hemp. Until then, it was a huge industrial crop... used for paper, clothing, pretty much everything... our Declaration Of Independence was printed on hemp... In 1942, the government lifted the ban and encouraged farmers to cultivate hemp to help with our war effort, distributing a film called "Hemp for Victory" produced by the USDA. This relaxation of the law against hemp was terminated in 1957, and continues under the Controlled Substance Act.

Now you have huge lobbyists (corn, oil, wood) that don't want hemp to succeed... when people hear the word hemp, they automatically think marijuana, not a crop that you can smoke and never high on because it has virtually zero THC in it. Because we ban it here, and we fund other governments drug enforcement agencies, they follow our lead.

But you are seeing some small uses in car part manufacturing now. Canada is starting to use it for fuel. Hemp seeds for nutrition. Hemp oil in shampoos, soaps, bath oils, sun screens and tanning oils, and cosmetics. In Europe, natural household cleaners.

It isn't about what others south of us pay for a tortilla, it's about what we are going to pay for our products here. Anything that relies on corn, and it's byproducts, are being impacted since we are using a food source to create an oxygenating agent. Why subsidize anyone?

[Russell James]

I'll be grumpy and opionated and not care who it may or may not offend.

Corn is garbage, end of story.

It's a garbage food source for human or livestock. It's basically a cheap variant of sugar with no nutritional value.

The outer part of the kernel is inedible and is an intestinal irritant. Have a little diverticulitis and want to end up in the hospital wishing death was near... eat a bunch of corn. The inner part of the kernel is a carb/sugar.

Want a good steak? Think grass fed, hormone free. Same thing with chicken, turkey...

A cow fattened up on corn feed and shot full of hormones is one nutritionally screwed up and unhealthy animal. Think of that fat kid in grade school that grew up on McDonalds, Coke and video games. The track stars and football players on the other side of the coin are eating a balanced diet, not primarly sugar carbs.

If we were running out of oil, corn converted to ethanol is an alternative worth pursuing. We are not. Oil is abundant. So, it's absolutely rediculous to be paying farmers to grow corn and artificially creating a demand for subsidized corn, subsidized E85.... Pull that governement (taxpayers) money out of those markets and watch the excitement about growing corn go away. Figure out a way to convince farmers to produce nutrional vegetables, grass fed cattle, bison, emu. There is so much more out there that could be profitable, nutritional, plentiful... instead we pay farmers to grow a garage crop.

Let's summarize. Oil is abundant. Americans have the worst nutionally screwed up diet in the world, and highest rates of diabetes and dimentia.

School us again how corn is an awesome crop?

[ghosted]

Originally Posted by Russell James

I'll be grumpy and opionated and not care who it may or may not offend.

Corn is garbage, end of story.

It's a garbage food source for human or livestock. It's basically a cheap variant of sugar with no nutritional value.

The outer part of the kernel is inedible and is an intestinal irritant. Have a little diverticulitis and want to end up in the hospital wishing death was near... eat a bunch of corn. The inner part of the kernel is a carb/sugar.

Want a good steak? Think grass fed, hormone free. Same thing with chicken, turkey...

A cow fattened up on corn feed and shot full of hormones is one nutritionally screwed up and unhealthy animal. Think of that fat kid in grade school that grew up on McDonalds, Coke and video games. The track stars and football players on the other side of the coin are eating a balanced diet, not primarly sugar carbs.

If we were running out of oil, corn converted to ethanol is an alternative worth pursuing. We are not. Oil is abundant. So, it's absolutely rediculous to be paying farmers to grow corn and artificially creating a demand for subsidized corn, subsidized E85.... Pull that governement (taxpayers) money out of those markets and watch the excitement about growing corn go away. Figure out a way to convince farmers to produce nutrional vegetables, grass fed cattle, bison, emu. There is so much more out there that could be profitable, nutritional, plentiful... instead we pay farmers to grow a garage crop.

Let's summarize. Oil is abundant. Americans have the worst nutionally screwed up diet in the world, and highest rates of diabetes and dimentia.

School us again how corn is an awesome crop?

Because cornbread, duh.

[sherob]

Originally Posted by Russell James

I'll be grumpy and opionated and not care who it may or may not offend.

Corn is garbage, end of story.

It's a garbage food source for human or livestock. It's basically a cheap variant of sugar with no nutritional value.

The outer part of the kernel is inedible and is an intestinal irritant. Have a little diverticulitis and want to end up in the hospital wishing death was near... eat a bunch of corn. The inner part of the kernel is a carb/sugar.

Want a good steak? Think grass fed, hormone free. Same thing with chicken, turkey...

A cow fattened up on corn feed and shot full of hormones is one nutritionally screwed up and unhealthy animal. Think of that fat kid in grade school that grew up on McDonalds, Coke and video games. The track stars and football players on the other side of the coin are eating a balanced diet, not primarly sugar carbs.

If we were running out of oil, corn converted to ethanol is an alternative worth pursuing. We are not. Oil is abundant. So, it's absolutely rediculous to be paying farmers to grow corn and artificially creating a demand for subsidized corn, subsidized E85.... Pull that governement (taxpayers) money out of those markets and watch the excitement about growing corn go away. Figure out a way to convince farmers to produce nutrional vegetables, grass fed cattle, bison, emu. There is so much more out there that could be profitable, nutritional, plentiful... instead we pay farmers to grow a garage crop.

Let's summarize. Oil is abundant. Americans have the worst nutionally screwed up diet in the world, and highest rates of diabetes and dimentia.

School us again how corn is an awesome crop?

I would have dove in to this as well (my wife is a Certified Diabetes Educator/Cardiovascular Clinical Nurse Specialist)... but I was just keeping it related to car engines, not our engines.