[BahamaTodd]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

V-sport is a 3.6 TT. This Buick has the 3.0L TT from the new Caddy CT6.

http://media.cadillac.com/media/us/e...win-turbo.html

[Imp]

Originally Posted by CamaroBody

nice car, but too much chrome for my liking

this car also looks to be at least $50k+ for a v6

LT1 makes 455hp, but the SS would be the decontented version of the B-b-b- Can't say it,.. BUICK. Which could have it start mid $40s to be viable, with less HP than the SS.

This will take a couple years to make it to the production floor - I for one, will not wait, but would trade in my SS for it when it does come out. *smitten*

--kC

[Imp]

Originally Posted by pete1077

Nice looking car but I just don't see a large market for it. GM already has the Camaro and ATS for sport coupes. I know they are trying to move away from the "old man's car" stigma with Buick but why wouldn't a potential buyer just buy an ATSV? Only way I can see someone buying this is if the the price is significantly less than the Cadillac.

Caddys styling doesn't fit some peoples eyes. Compare this car to an ATSV, and this Buick is more mature with a design that could oultast the angularity of the caddy language.

This is a big deal for Buick. I could see me getting out of this car in jeans or a suit.

--kC

[bbrown450]

Say what you will I see "Crossfire" all over the ass of that car...those seats ...really ??

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

The name though:



"So man, what do you drive"
"Avista"
"A what??"
"Avista"
"oh I thought a Vista was an oldsmobile wagon"

who comes up with this stuff?

Grand National
Buick GNX
Buick GSX
GS 455

all better than Avista - it won't sell.

They won't name a car after an option package. The GN and GNX were Regals. The GS and GSX were Skylarks.

GM cannot make the mistake of trying to have Buick build Muscle Cars.

Originally Posted by bbrown450

Say what you will I see "Crossfire" all over the ass of that car...those seats ...really ??

Errrrrrr ummmmmm what?

[Toxicgoober]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They won't name a car after an option package. The GN and GNX were Regals. The GS and GSX were Skylarks.

GM cannot make the mistake of trying to have Buick build Muscle Cars.




Errrrrrr ummmmmm what?

The famous "pooping dog" as named by Jeremy Clarkson!


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[Mike502]

It looks like a 4 door sedan turned into coupe. Like the 04 GTO and we know how well that went over. The roof line is to long probably for rear passengers. Engineers replacing designers.
Not good.

The Camaro looks much better. The new mustang kind of has the pooping dog rear end.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They won't name a car after an option package. The GN and GNX were Regals. The GS and GSX were Skylarks.

GM cannot make the mistake of trying to have Buick build Muscle Cars.

That's all good and dandy, but come on...a bad ass looking car like that and they come up with "Avista".

maybe it will grow on me, but sounds like the opposite of their marketing campaign of "it's not your grandpa's car anymore".

IMO.

[mt3130]

Hopefully the production car looks as much like this one as possible (the interior can and will change), and has a different name.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Mike502

It looks like a 4 door sedan turned into coupe. Like the 04 GTO and we know how well that went over. The roof line is to long probably for rear passengers. Engineers replacing designers.
Not good.

The Camaro looks much better. The new mustang kind of has the pooping dog rear end.

I believe the Crossfire was a Mercedes Benz SLK rebodied, if I remember correctly.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

That's all good and dandy, but come on...a bad ass looking car like that and they come up with "Avista".

maybe it will grow on me, but sounds like the opposite of their marketing campaign of "it's not your grandpa's car anymore".

IMO.

I understand your point, but I have no real issue with Avenir or Avista. Doesn't really bother me and not reason to buy or not buy a car. But JMO.

I am one of those "those that for forget history are doomed to repeat it". And it was Mark Reuss (I have max respect for him, btw) whose father Loyd tried to turn Buick into another performance car company with T-types and Grand Nation and GNX. He pulled from Buick's history from when GM OWNED the market and each division had it's own big block engine. In an effort to try and revive Buick in the 80's he tried to go performance........and failed.

Buick exists for China. Period. As much as I love the Avista and Avenir Buick will always have a hard row to hoe. Treading lightly between Chevrolet and Cadillac needs a special type of car. And going back to GN and GNX, although exciting for us enthusiasts will fail to fill that niche.

Keep in mind, Audi has the A3, Q3 and is working on a Q1. BMW has X1 and 1 and 2 Series cars. MB has a FWD sedan just over $32,000 in the CLA. Everyone is going down market to win volume. So Cadillac will either follow or GM will try the, "oh if you want a $30,000 SUV/Car, you should buy a Buick".

If GM can pull off a true Buick revival in the US, it will be a true feat.

That being said, go price a Chevy Traxx and a Buick Encore. For about $3,000 more you get way more car with the Buick including options the Chevy doesn't have, i.e. leather seats. Why would anyone not buy the Buick is beyond me when for that $3,000 you also get an extra year of warranty, 4 years vs. 3.

[Z/284ever]

Anyone wonder if the Avista started out as a rejected Camaro proposal?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Z/284ever

Anyone wonder if the Avista started out as a rejected Camaro proposal?

From what we've heard, I doubt the Camaro was anything other than what it is, a refinement of the Gen5. But it's possible the shape was considered. You never know.

I have been told that is how Hyundai works. First place in the design contest becomes a Hyundai while the second place design then becomes the Kia. Not sure if that is still the case as they have built brand identity now for both brands.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Buick exists for China. Period.

This is the part I don't get. I admit I am not to up on what models go to China, but are cars built here then shipped there? If so I get it, but if its only China exclusive models over there, why is Buick still here