Trade in my SS for C6 Grand Sport?

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

An old 5th gen Camaro vs a new C7 Vette GS is not an even comparison and not at all what I was talking about. Plus that's more of a $40k gap in price. Not 10-20.

I'm talking 2018 vs 2018. And if you want to compare with the GS then you'd have to compare it with a SS 1LE to make it a somewhat fair comparison. If you look at the numbers they really aren't $20k apart like the price. So for that $20k you are paying mostly for looks. Unless you hate the way the Camaro looks and Love the way the Vette looks, I can't see how it's worth an extra $20k. But this is just my opinion.

"An old 5th Gen Camaro"?

Yes, that old, cammed 5th Gen. I wasn't comparing the GS to a stock Camaro. I was simply pointing out that with all of the work and money I put into my SS, it still wouldn't come close to the GS...even in a straight line. Dollar for dollar (~$75k), nothing else comes close to the GS. BTW, the SS 1LE is no slouch either.

2016 Car and Driver Annual Lightning Lap:

Lap times (around VIR):

2:44.2 -- 2016 Dodge Viper ACR
2:45.1 -- 2016 Ferrari 488GTB
2:47.0 -- 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
2:47.1 -- 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
2:47.4 -- 2016 McLaren 570S
2:50.2 -- 2017 Acura NSX
2:51.8 -- 2016 Mustang GT350R
2:52.9 -- 2017 BMW //M4 GTS
2:54.0 -- 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2:54.8 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE
2:56.1 -- 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus
3:01.9 -- 2016 BMW //M2
3:03.5 -- 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat
3:03.9 -- 2016 Focus RS
3:04.0 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE
3:05.9 -- 2016 Lexus GS-F
3:07.7 -- 2016 Audi TTS

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

"An old 5th Gen Camaro"?

Yes, that old, cammed 5th Gen. I wasn't comparing the GS to a stock Camaro. I was simply pointing out that with all of the work and money I put into my SS, it still wouldn't come close to the GS...even in a straight line. Dollar for dollar (~$75k), nothing else comes close to the GS. BTW, the SS 1LE is no slouch either.

2016 Car and Driver Annual Lightning Lap:

Lap times (around VIR):

2:44.2 -- 2016 Dodge Viper ACR
2:45.1 -- 2016 Ferrari 488GTB
2:47.0 -- 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
2:47.1 -- 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
2:47.4 -- 2016 McLaren 570S
2:50.2 -- 2017 Acura NSX
2:51.8 -- 2016 Mustang GT350R
2:52.9 -- 2017 BMW //M4 GTS
2:54.0 -- 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2:54.8 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE
2:56.1 -- 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus
3:01.9 -- 2016 BMW //M2
3:03.5 -- 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat
3:03.9 -- 2016 Focus RS
3:04.0 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE
3:05.9 -- 2016 Lexus GS-F
3:07.7 -- 2016 Audi TTS

I didn't mean to offend you by saying your car was old. I just traded in my 2010 SS that had only 25k miles on it. But if you compare the tech in my old 2010 vs my new 2018 1LE. My old 2010 feels more like 20 years old instead of 8.

I'm just trying to say if you are going to compare the Vette vs the Camaro you gotta at least go 5th gen vs C6 or 6th gen vs C7. We both know the Vette has always had an edge on the Camaro but when you also give the Vette 3+ years of extra technology it's no wonder it's going to be miles better in terms of performance. That's why your cammed 5th gen don't compare. Now if you cammed a 6th gen we'd be having a different discussion since the 2 are much closer to begin with.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I'm just trying to say if you are going to compare the Vette vs the Camaro you gotta at least go 5th gen vs C6 or 6th gen vs C7.

Not when performance is the only metric that matters . . .


Norm

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Not when performance is the only metric that matters . . .


Norm

Performance is all that's being discussed at the moment. I've already said that if looks is a huge difference for a particular person then all bets are off of course. Then I can see it being worth however much more you are willing to spend.

[Welker2]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I didn't mean to offend you by saying your car was old. I just traded in my 2010 SS that had only 25k miles on it. But if you compare the tech in my old 2010 vs my new 2018 1LE. My old 2010 feels more like 20 years old instead of 8.

I'm just trying to say if you are going to compare the Vette vs the Camaro you gotta at least go 5th gen vs C6 or 6th gen vs C7. We both know the Vette has always had an edge on the Camaro but when you also give the Vette 3+ years of extra technology it's no wonder it's going to be miles better in terms of performance. That's why your cammed 5th gen don't compare. Now if you cammed a 6th gen we'd be having a different discussion since the 2 are much closer to begin with.

I agree with just about everything you just said except ' you also have to give the Vette 3+ years of extra technology'. Both cars are built by the same company and the Camaro plant was built after the Corvette plant was retooled in 2014 to build the C7, which means, if all was equal, the Camaro should be ahead of the Corvette, technologically speaking. The reality is, although Chevy may incorporate a lot of the technology, performance factors, etc. in to the Camaro and other vehicles that is used in the Corvette, it will never build a vehicle that will out perform the Corvette (year for year) … end of story.

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by Welker2

I agree with just about everything you just said except ' you also have to give the Vette 3+ years of extra technology'. Both cars are built by the same company and the Camaro plant was built after the Corvette plant was retooled in 2014 to build the C7, which means, if all was equal, the Camaro should be ahead of the Corvette, technologically speaking. The reality is, although Chevy may incorporate a lot of the technology, performance factors, etc. in to the Camaro and other vehicles that is used in the Corvette, it will never build a vehicle that will out perform the Corvette (year for year) … end of story.

I'm pretty sure the cars are not designed at the plant so the plant is almost irrelevant when it comes to the tech Chevy decides to put in their cars. It's not accident the Vette always edges out the Camaro or because the plant didn't have the tech. Chevy has all the tech of 2018 available to them right now. It's their choice how to use it. Of course they will put a little more in the Vette to entice people to spend more for it.

[Welker2]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I'm pretty sure the cars are not designed at the plant so the plant is almost irrelevant when it comes to the tech Chevy decides to put in their cars. It's not accident the Vette always edges out the Camaro or because the plant didn't have the tech. Chevy has all the tech of 2018 available to them right now. It's their choice how to use it. Of course they will put a little more in the Vette to entice people to spend more for it.

You are correct, but the plants produce the end product. My point was that when the new Camaro plant was built, it utilized what the designers intended. Yet, although they had all the engineering and technological information that went into the Corvette available to them, they 'down played' it. Going to my last statement, Chevy will never build another vehicle that will out perform the Corvette … which I think you agree with.

[stt816]

getting a bit off topic guys..anyways right now its between a,


c6 Grand Sport ...$~32k
c6 z06..$~32k (but need to spend about 2k to fix heads issue) con to this is no targa roof but z06 exclusivity and performance
c7 stingray base and adding on a z06 aero kit...~$40k for stingray


My camaro could be traded in for about 18k

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

Performance is all that's being discussed at the moment.

Exactly what I thought it was about.

And when that's the only thing under discussion I don't see any problem with comparing a 5th gen Camaro against a 7th gen Corvette. On one hand, the 7th gen 'Vette got its performance improvements as OE fitment. On the other, most any 5th gen Camaro being seriously compared against either of the last two generations of Corvette is likely to have had a few improvements via individual efforts and the aftermarket. Both done right, it's six of one, half dozen of the other.

Never mind that Chevy's own recent Z/28 was still built on the 5th gen chassis.


Norm

[Welker2]

Originally Posted by stt816

getting a bit off topic guys..anyways right now its between a,


c6 Grand Sport ...$~32k
c6 z06..$~32k (but need to spend about 2k to fix heads issue) con to this is no targa roof but z06 exclusivity and performance
c7 stingray base and adding on a z06 aero kit...~$40k for stingray


My camaro could be traded in for about 18k

You're right (in regards to going off topic). Given your list, it's a toss up between the GS and C7. Between the GS and the ZO6, no question; not only does the ZO6 need repairs (which may go beyond the head issue), the GS has a removable targa top the ZO6 doesn't. So, it comes down to preference of style over performance, as well as comfort. Some, such as myself, find the C7 a little more 'confining' and uncomfortable as compared toe the C6, but the C7 definitely offers better performance. So, my best advice would be to look and test drive both and then decide which fits you best...you can't go wrong ether way.

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by Welker2

You're right. Given your list, it's a toss up between the GS and C7. Between the GS and the ZO6, no question; not only does the ZO6 need repairs (which may go beyond the head issue), the GS has a removable targa top the ZO6 doesn't. So, it comes down to preference of style over performance, as well as comfort. Some, such as myself, find the C7 a little more 'confining' and uncomfortable as compared toe the C6, so the GS may be right answer for you.

+1

I'd go with the C7 of those 3 as long as you don't mind spending the extra money. I have seen them in the high 30s but it's rare (which makes me question why so cheap) and usually comes with higher mileage.

[jrob56]

Originally Posted by stt816

getting a bit off topic guys..anyways right now its between a,


c6 Grand Sport ...$~32k
c6 z06..$~32k (but need to spend about 2k to fix heads issue) con to this is no targa roof but z06 exclusivity and performance
c7 stingray base and adding on a z06 aero kit...~$40k for stingray


My camaro could be traded in for about 18k

That’s tough, I’m at a point I like the fit and finish now, the tech, and all so probably c7 in your spot if money diff doesn’t matter. If it does and trying to keep cost down a bit just get the c6z hopefully one with heads addressed. Driving a c6z is what kicked off this search anyway! Although GS gets you the targa you want and LS3 is 85% of the performance and no head issues.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I didn't mean to offend you by saying your car was old. I just traded in my 2010 SS that had only 25k miles on it. But if you compare the tech in my old 2010 vs my new 2018 1LE. My old 2010 feels more like 20 years old instead of 8.

I'm just trying to say if you are going to compare the Vette vs the Camaro you gotta at least go 5th gen vs C6 or 6th gen vs C7. We both know the Vette has always had an edge on the Camaro but when you also give the Vette 3+ years of extra technology it's no wonder it's going to be miles better in terms of performance. That's why your cammed 5th gen don't compare. Now if you cammed a 6th gen we'd be having a different discussion since the 2 are much closer to begin with.

Oh, I'm not offended. It simply made me laugh. It was if we were talking about a '48 Packard.