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Old 03-16-2014, 05:19 PM   #141
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Just don't make the side windows 2 big. Keep it small even if it affects on visibility. Make a great car, and forget about the crappy renders, where camaro looks like a dated f40.
The Renders Should Look like this:
But Not that shitty f40 style drawnings that I've seen here. They are so tasteless.
Now that's what I'm talking about ! That actually looks more like a camaro that would be nice!
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Old 03-16-2014, 06:09 PM   #142
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All I can hope is Chevy doesn't go soft like Ford went with the Mustang.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:59 PM   #143
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Just don't make the side windows 2 big. Keep it small even if it affects on visibility. Make a great car, and forget about the crappy renders, where camaro looks like a dated f40.
The Renders Should Look like this:
But Not that shitty f40 style drawnings that I've seen here. They are so tasteless.
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Wtf is this? Is it a camaro or a pickup with a Mazda style front? U like it?? Hmm, I know what u want: forget the camaro and buy the Mazda rx8/rx7 then go to the bangla bangers show, find a man named Leepu and ask him to transform ur Mazda into the pickup that will Look like an f40. Boom, and u will be happy.
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Old 03-16-2014, 08:17 PM   #144
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Just don't make the side windows 2 big. Keep it small even if it affects on visibility. Make a great car, and forget about the crappy renders, where camaro looks like a dated f40.
The Renders Should Look like this:
But Not that shitty f40 style drawnings that I've seen here. They are so tasteless.
It looks too much like the fifth gen and the front end looks like an over exaggerated corporate grill.
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Old 03-16-2014, 08:42 PM   #145
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:00 AM   #146
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:14 AM   #147
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LOL... Call me what you want! If this is towards me!
Oh no, that wasn't meant for you lol. Somehow you got stuck in there. Sorry!
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:41 AM   #148
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All I can hope is Chevy doesn't go soft like Ford went with the Mustang.
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Could one say I hope Ford does not go MadMax like Chevy with the Camaro?
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Soft? They already bounced an '08 Mustang down the stairs in San Francisco on the Bullitt route. It made it to water front and went airborne off the flats. Yes it sparked out on the landings but the drive shaft, exhaust, oil and trans pans, and wheel alignment held intact. Plastic chin took a hit. I have owned two stangs 1970 and 2007. The under carriages are Ford truck tough. Neither rides as "soft" as Gen 5 Camaro. That is because they are Mustangs.

Could a Gen 5 Camaro do that? I think the stamped sheet steel IRS control arms would fold up like a lawn chair and never see the water front. Unlike a solid rear axle, the differential is geometrical exposed, you may lose the lube or ring gear. The four rear CVS joints are built for radial loads, they may separate with high shock axial loads. This is one route where a 20" rim. 4000#, IRS, 112" wb car does not pay off. Soft? When the 15 stang comes out-check the IRS construction, compare it Gen 5 Camaro, blind bet-it will not be anything like the Gen 5 IRS. It will be Ford truck tough. All you have to do is get on your hands knees.

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Old 03-17-2014, 05:44 AM   #149
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I'm pretty sure the 6th gen "evolution, not revolution" camaro will use elements of the transformers 4 concept camaro.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:31 AM   #150
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Soft? They already bounced an '08 Mustang down the stairs in San Francisco on the Bullitt route. It made it to water front and went airborne off the flats. Yes it sparked out on the landings but the drive shaft, exhaust, oil and trans pans, and wheel alignment held intact. Plastic chin took a hit. I have owned two stangs 1970 and 2007. The under carriages are Ford truck tough. Neither rides as "soft" as Gen 5 Camaro. That is because they are Mustangs.

Could a Gen 5 Camaro do that? I think the stamped sheet steel IRS control arms would fold up like a lawn chair and never see the water front. Unlike a solid rear axle, the differential is geometrical exposed, you may lose the lube or ring gear. The four rear CVS joints are built for radial loads, they may separate with high shock axial loads. This is one route where a 20" rim. 4000#, IRS, 112" wb car does not pay off. Soft? When the 15 stang comes out-check the IRS construction, compare it Gen 5 Camaro, blind bet-it will not be anything like the Gen 5 IRS. It will be Ford truck tough. All you have to do is get on your hands knees.

What are you talking about? Is this some kind of funny sarcasm? Nobody meant this when they used the word "soft"....I sure didn't. Nobody has even mentioned any of this.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:47 AM   #151
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Doc, just wondering if you saw this?

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Unfortunately I don't have more time to respond (yes, several of your points are taken), but you do realize that that jet is a movie prop, right? It's from 2005's "Stealth". I can almost guarantee that the first thing the writers said was "Ok, let's make a plane that looks bad-ass!"

Some of my old Navy friends were on that carrier during filming. They said it was really cool (but obviously fake).
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:49 AM   #152
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:30 AM   #153
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Doc, just wondering if you saw this?
Yeah I did. I got those pics from an email sent to me by someone who's niece was one of the test pilots. She failed to mention it was for a movie. I pretty much don't go to movies so I didn't see it or know about it. From things I've seen and know about stealth programs though, it certainly was done in the style of the way they do things.

Here's a much better example of form following pure function then; and this one is so "dated" it's unbelievable!

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Kelly Johnson started out with the goal to make the fastest plane in the skies and by the time they were done pursuing that goal, that was the shape they finished with... over 50 years ago. The SR-71; my personal all-time favorite and definitely one of the most beautiful aircraft ever produced. That's what I mean when I say "can't we have both?". Start with the performance and usability goals like Mark Stielow did with the Z/28, THEN put a shape around it. Even though he was already working with the shape of a Camaro, he and his team are clearly the ones who came up with the changes in the front, the back and the aero pieces. Put him and his guys together with the Design Studio team and let him be in charge of creating the 7th gen Camaro. Make it great! And keep the thing hidden so there are NO spy shots or leaked images; use a shell system that allows them to attach fake body panels around the outside to make it look like either a current model of something or a generic nothing so nobody who sees it has a clue what's underneath. Zebra stripes and black shroud coverings just don't cut it.

Start with the goals of a great driver and passenger experience (front seats) and go from there. We've already seen how good Mark is at pursuing a function; let him have a crack at the 7th gen. He's a long time Camaro enthusiast who's made many a customized Camaro, so if anybody would do it right, it would be him.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:41 AM   #154
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We can only speculate, wish or dream but I know in 2015 people will either love it or hate it. I have confidence in Gm producing a car that will blow away everything we imagine compared to what we drive. I can only imagine the many trade ups and dealers pocketing from trade ins.
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