Homepage Garage Wiki Register Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > 2016+ Camaro: 6th Gen Camaro general forum


AWE Tuning


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-23-2014, 02:35 PM   #57
McRat

 
McRat's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan"
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Norco, CA
Posts: 1,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by halo8hkk View Post
NO 4 banger PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care if it makes 600hp. i cant fathom hearing a riceburner sound out of a muscle car. especially a camaro!!!
While I love V8 rumble, diesel roar, V12 howl, and two-stroke scream, I'm kind of liking this Ecotec sound (fast forward to 3:45):



This is faster than the last one posted.
__________________
2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET
2003 Z06 in progress
2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness.
2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet.
2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3.
And a bunch of Duramaxes.
McRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 02:44 PM   #58
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 37,371
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
That's not true at all. You have millions in R&D dollars per platform. You have to engineer an entire new driveline. It doesn't matter that the chassis already exists and accepts those engines. You have a totally different configuration and everything has to be custom-sized and mounted. You're also going to need to design and tune a whole different suspension setup. Then there is the liability of adding a 4 cylinder to a line of carbs that have never had a 4 cylinder motor. The V6's and V8's are known sellers, and the I-4's will have to be subsidized through then. Expect the V6 and V8 costs to increase in order to pay for the I-4's debut.

The cheapest way to make the Camaro is to make one car with no options. Want a cheap Camaro? Every single Camaro is a black 2SS with a manual transmission. Prices would fall, or GM could sell them for the same price but at a much higher margin. This is why Ford initially only made black cars - just the availability of the options costs money because you have all that R&D into something that may or may not even sell.
If every Camaro built was an SS, prices would skyrocket because GM would have to limit sales to keep its CAFE numbers from plummeting. Why do you think the SS sedan starts at $45k and has little to no advertising outside of NASCAR?

That 2.0T is what's allowing the LT1/LT4 to go into Camaro. Don't like it? Better start writing your representatives.
__________________
2023 GMC Canyon Elevation
2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 02:47 PM   #59
shaffe


 
Drives: 21 Bronco
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,023
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT View Post
The times, they are a-changin'.

The new GM is in love with 4-bangers (turbo & NA), putting them in a lot of cars that never had them before, e.g., Impalas and CTSs.

It's an industry-wide trend, with companies like Ford & BMW also moving this way.

Personally, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. A 4-cylinder anything in the current Camaro seems absurd. But the new Camaro? Well, who knows? If it's a leaner, lighter, more sports-car-than-muscle-car kind of vehicle, then maybe a turbo 4 as a base engine makes a certain amount of sense. We'll see.
This, times are changing. All the automakers are going to have to do drastic things to meet CAFE requirements, aluminum F-150s powered by 2.7L turbo V-6s, eco diesel rams, Silverado and Sierra are going aluminum eventually too. Look at all the cars out there that you can get a 4 cyl or turbo 4 cyl in. Hell even FULL SIZE cars are getting them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blake2010ss View Post
4 cyl doesn't scream Camaro. I don't want my muscle car to sound like a SS cobalt. It doesn't matter to me if it makes more HP than the v8, its not the same. I'd just call the car something else instead of Camaro.

Its kinda like the new BMW M cars going boost. Sure its faster than previous cars, but its not the same soul of the car. Atleast Camaro gets a v8 option I guess.

Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
Quote:
Originally Posted by halo8hkk View Post
NO 4 banger PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care if it makes 600hp. i cant fathom hearing a riceburner sound out of a muscle car. especially a camaro!!!
While I agree 4 cylinder doesnt scream Camaro or mustang to me, if it helps GM and Ford build a more bad ass V-8 pony car I am all for it. and besides, if you don't like it, don't buy it!
shaffe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 02:47 PM   #60
Bhobbs


 
Bhobbs's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 6,987
I hope GM develops a higher performance 6.2 liter based off the LT1 similar to the LS6 and LS1. Do CNC ported heads, high flowing intake manifold, no AFM, a more aggressive cam shaft, titanium intake valves and tubular shorty headers. Maybe a bump in compression.
Bhobbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:15 PM   #61
CCMADONNA

 
CCMADONNA's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 SW 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,681
i LOVED the 2.0T on my Solstice GXP - after tuning i got 313 rwhp and a lot of fun.
top speed i saw was 163 before i chickened out.
plus the $8-$10/week on gasoline made for greater social options!
CCMADONNA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:28 PM   #62
Ehmsea
 
Ehmsea's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 2SS RS Hurst NPP
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Perrysburg, OH
Posts: 233
Turbo 4 is coming and is here to stay. CAFE standards will push everything this direction. We can thank our government officials for forcing the Supply and Demand free enterprise model into what they think we need.

Reminds me of Denis Leary's rant from Demolition Man:


__________________
No Worries


CAI Intake w/washer relocation and race scoop
Ported Throttle Body (Polished)
Kooks LT stepped headers 1-3/4 to 1-7/8
High Flow Cats
Livernois Motorsports Stage 2c Cam Package
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKXyCyBh9BU

Hill Start Assist Delete
Ehmsea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:33 PM   #63
KMPrenger


 
KMPrenger's Avatar
 
Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Jefferson City, Missouri
Posts: 13,941
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
That's not true at all. You have millions in R&D dollars per platform. You have to engineer an entire new driveline. It doesn't matter that the chassis already exists and accepts those engines. You have a totally different configuration and everything has to be custom-sized and mounted. You're also going to need to design and tune a whole different suspension setup. Then there is the liability of adding a 4 cylinder to a line of carbs that have never had a 4 cylinder motor. The V6's and V8's are known sellers, and the I-4's will have to be subsidized through then. Expect the V6 and V8 costs to increase in order to pay for the I-4's debut.

The cheapest way to make the Camaro is to make one car with no options. Want a cheap Camaro? Every single Camaro is a black 2SS with a manual transmission. Prices would fall, or GM could sell them for the same price but at a much higher margin. This is why Ford initially only made black cars - just the availability of the options costs money because you have all that R&D into something that may or may not even sell.
I see your point, and I realize it already, but your original comment seemed to imply that they would be designing a new chassis for this car, which isn't true.

I simply pointed out, that since they are using an existing platform, a huge chunk of the homework is already done. Will they have to make tweaks? Of course, as they will for the V6 and the V8 assuming they want to use to use a different wheelbase that is not the same as the ATS or CTS.

I don't see anything wrong with adding a turbo 4 into the mix.
__________________
2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties
2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)
KMPrenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:33 PM   #64
KMPrenger


 
KMPrenger's Avatar
 
Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Jefferson City, Missouri
Posts: 13,941
Its too bad this fun thread is going to likely turn into another "but I don't want no 4 cylinder in my muscle car" thread.

If you guys take the time to read the GMI thread, there is some juicy stuff in there.
__________________
2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties
2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)
KMPrenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:35 PM   #65
Sleeper
 
Drives: It has 4 wheels
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: California
Posts: 85
I'll take a 4 cylinder.
Sleeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:35 PM   #66
halo8hkk

 
Drives: 2000 Z28. 2010 1SS IMB.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 1,081
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaffe View Post
While I agree 4 cylinder doesnt scream Camaro or mustang to me, if it helps GM and Ford build a more bad ass V-8 pony car I am all for it. and besides, if you don't like it, don't buy it!
i wont be buying it but, my problem is i dont want any one to buy it. i dont want to walk down the street and listen to a fart can muffler aka pissed off lawn mower sound out of a classic american muscle car. it is just un-american. i respect all cars even if i dont like them. but a 4 cylinder in a Camaro is just wrong.
__________________
1990 RS = First Car -SOLD
2000 Z28 = SOLD

2010 1SS/RS = Mysstique
Whipple Supercharger
Dyno= 618hp 555tq at the wheels
IMB Silver Stripes
VIN#44025
Born: 9/9/09 Delivered: 9/28/09
halo8hkk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:38 PM   #67
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 37,371
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Quote:
Originally Posted by halo8hkk View Post
i wont be buying it but, my problem is i dont want any one to buy it. i dont want to walk down the street and listen to a fart can muffler aka pissed off lawn mower sound out of a classic american muscle car. it is just un-american. i respect all cars even if i dont like them. but a 4 cylinder in a Camaro is just wrong.
It wouldn't be the first time.

The difference is GM's new turbo 4s are pretty damn good.
__________________
2023 GMC Canyon Elevation
2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 03:40 PM   #68
blake2010ss

 
blake2010ss's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/rs
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: stone mountain, GA
Posts: 2,228
Send a message via AIM to blake2010ss Send a message via MSN to blake2010ss
Quote:
Originally Posted by KMPrenger View Post
Its too bad this fun thread is going to likely turn into another "but I don't want no 4 cylinder in my muscle car" thread.

If you guys take the time to read the GMI thread, there is some juicy stuff in there.
Even though there are v8 options out there with it... It really takes away the soul of the car hearing a 4 cyl motor in an iconic muscle car. I do not have a problem with GM making a 4 cyl turbo sports car....just don't call it a Camaro.

Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
__________________
2010 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3
1093/1066

416, AGP 6262, E85, Cam
blake2010ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 04:08 PM   #69
McRat

 
McRat's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan"
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Norco, CA
Posts: 1,183
Bizarre Fantasy, based on existing GM parts and tech -

Camaro Ecotec, Area 51 Special Edition.

Color - Gloss black with flat black and red accents. Ghost Shark fender art from SR-71.

Dual 210HP ELR traction motors, front+back.
Nose contains switchable E85 turbo 4 with 270hp on gasoline.
16kwh traction battery.

Cost: $65k.
Seating: 4
Mileage: >100eMPG, or 30 gas MPG.
Electric-Only Range: 40mi.
Gas range: 300mi.
Weight: 3900lb
Performance: Top Speed - 190mph. 1/4mi - 12.50@108mph, 12.0@125mph E85 TurboMode.
HP: Eco - 210HP, Sport - 420HP, Competition - 690HP (60 seconds), TurboMode(E85) - 750HP.
Transmission: None.
Drive: AWD, all wheel regen.
Skidpan: >1.01g
Braking: >1.4g.

The CG would be lower than any existing performance GM product. The weight balance would be 50/50.

The drive system would work thus:

In Eco mode, either electric or gas powers just the front wheels.
Sport mode permits both electric motors to operate in AWD for 420HP.
Competition mode allows both electric motors to run, and the i4 to operate direct drive at 15psi boost on gasoline once road speed allows 2000rpm.
TurboMode requires E85 and boost levels increase to 25psi.

The additional weight comes from the battery and second electric motor.

Think of this as a V8 Camaro with a permanent nitrous bottle that is refilled automatically each night.

It will probably kill a GT-R at the dragstrip, but have a lower CG and all the goodness that comes with it.

But, you can also use it as an economy commuter if you wish. A driver who puts 12,000 miles a year on their car will use little if any gasoline.
Attached Images
 
__________________
2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET
2003 Z06 in progress
2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness.
2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet.
2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3.
And a bunch of Duramaxes.
McRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2014, 04:08 PM   #70
menendez1293
Emerald Coast Camaros
 
menendez1293's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT/RS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tallahassee FL
Posts: 9,687
When you say Turbo 4, do you think it will be the Twin out of the ATS?
menendez1293 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply

Tags
2016 camaro, 2016 camaro forum, 2016 camaro forums, 2016 camaro spy, 2016 camaro spy photo, 2016 camaro spy photos, 2016 camaro spy pics, 2016 chevrolet camaro, 2016 chevy camaro, 2017 camaro, 2017 chevy camaro, 6 gen camaro, 6th gen camaro, 6th gen camaro forum, 6th gen camaro forums, 6th gen camaro info, 6th gen camaro news, 6th gen camaro rumors, 6th gen chevrolet camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro forum, 6th generation camaro, 6th generation camaro info, 6th generation camaro news, 6th generation camaro rumors, 6th generation chevy camaro, camaro 6th gen, camaro 6th generation

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.