[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Good comparison. That tells me if the 2.0T is the base engine for the Camaro, we are looking at some good numbers for the V6 and SS. Man the V6 Mustang crowd is going to be hating life especially.

I'm hoping for V6 performance in the low to mid 5s for 0 - 60 and mid to mid/high 13s 1/4 stock. I see no reason not think it won't happen. That's V8 performance from less than a decade ago. I'd be more than happy with that. Pretty satisfied with my current modded V6....a modded 6th gen V6 should be a great little performance car. I can see high 4s, low 5s 0 - 60 and low 13s easily attainable.

[ssrs396]

Originally Posted by Inferno2SS

I just spent $50k on a 4-banger ATS AWD Coupe and I couldnt be happier. Its not nearly as fast as my SS but it has enough HP for what I was looking for, 0-60 in 5.7 seconds is pretty solid for a 4-banger.

To each their own I guess.

Wasn't long ago this was a good time for a V-8.

Oops KMP said the same thing.

[ssrs396]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I'm hoping for V6 performance in the low to mid 5s for 0 - 60 and mid to mid/high 13s 1/4 stock. I see no reason not think it won't happen. That's V8 performance from less than a decade ago. I'd be more than happy with that. Pretty satisfied with my current modded V6....a modded 6th gen V6 should be a great little performance car. I can see high 4s, low 5s 0 - 60 and low 13s easily attainable.

This time around I think I want the V8 however a V6 with this performance would be hard to pass up.

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

The lowest trim Caddy 4-banger weighs in at 3411 lbs while the loaded V6 is 3530. The base V6 for the current Camaro is listed at 3719 lbs.

If the weight difference between the v6 and v8 Camaros stays the same, that should bring the v8 Camaro in right around 3700 pounds. We all assumed the the ATS-V used a lot of lightweight materials, but since we know that the TTV6 is heavier than the LT1, it appears that GM did little in the way of weight reduction for that vehicle.

That's good news for the Camaro, because that means that 3,700 pounds may be realistic for a 1SS.

[Ant_ss]

I'd be happy if the 6th gen Camaro lost about 50 pounds on average across the trim line. I don't want significantly lower weight if it means a significantly smaller Camaro.

How much weight/size should the camaro lose before you realize you really won't be satisfied until you own such a car as Corvette (a true small/lightweight American performance vehicle)?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by mt3130

If the weight difference between the v6 and v8 Camaros stays the same, that should bring the v8 Camaro in right around 3700 pounds. We all assumed the the ATS-V used a lot of lightweight materials, but since we know that the TTV6 is heavier than the LT1, it appears that GM did little in the way of weight reduction for that vehicle.

That's good news for the Camaro, because that means that 3,700 pounds may be realistic for a 1SS.

I'm betting closer to 3500lbs. The Caddy has a lot of padding, noise insulation, and other interior features which make it heavy. The current SS is in the 3800lb neighborhood, so losing 100lbs switching to the new platform seems very conservative to me. Will be interesting to see what the truth is.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I'm betting closer to 3500lbs. The Caddy has a lot of padding, noise insulation, and other interior features which make it heavy. The current SS is in the 3800lb neighborhood, so losing 100lbs switching to the new platform seems very conservative to me. Will be interesting to see what the truth is.

The current SS is in the mid 3,900 lb range. It has gained some weight over the course of the generation.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I'm betting closer to 3500lbs. The Caddy has a lot of padding, noise insulation, and other interior features which make it heavy. The current SS is in the 3800lb neighborhood, so losing 100lbs switching to the new platform seems very conservative to me. Will be interesting to see what the truth is.

3500 for an SS or 6 cylinder? I can see or for the 6. I'm sticking and hoping for 3,700 for the SS.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The current SS is in the mid 3,900 lb range. It has gained some weight over the course of the generation.

Must have been looking at an early model. I see c/d list 3880lbs for a 2015 1LE. 300 lbs would make a big difference if we can get it. 200 should definitely be doable then.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I'm betting closer to 3500lbs. The Caddy has a lot of padding, noise insulation, and other interior features which make it heavy. The current SS is in the 3800lb neighborhood, so losing 100lbs switching to the new platform seems very conservative to me. Will be interesting to see what the truth is.

Sorry, but you have to play both sides of the game on this one. The ATS also has some premium materials that cut weight. So you have to assume those may not go into a lower cost Chevrolet. GM spent a huge effort (read that $$$) to get the ATS weight competitive with the 3/4 Series.

All of the insulation you are thinking of doesn't weigh that much. All of the features? Most will be in the Camaro as well at least hopefully they will be.

And as of today, there added mass for handling a V8 isn't in the ATS. So there is another bump in the upward direction.

So 100 pounds "conservative"? We'll be lucky if they are equal and I don't think they will be.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

3500 for an SS or 6 cylinder? I can see or for the 6. I'm sticking and hoping for 3,700 for the SS.

That's about where I am too.

A V6 ATS RWD from Cadillac's website is 3530 pounds. Add an LT1 and an 8 speed to that and you are going to be above 3,700.

For GM to get these extremely low weights you guys keep hoping for several things have to happen.

1 - We get the ATS architecture as is. No modifications to package a V8. My concern is the ATS V didn't get a V8 it got V6. The CTS V-sport is pushing 4,000 pounds and the new V was announced over 4,100.

2 - 20 inch wheels are out. Bigger wheels (read lower aspect ratios) require more structure. The biggest so far on the Alpha architecture are 19s on the CTS. And from the Cadillac website, the ATS only gets 18s on the coupe and Sedan.

3 - Premium materials. The CTS-V, in order to just hit 4,150 pounds has a Carbon Fiber hood. Plus the base CTS has aluminum doors. So GM will have to go this route on any car with a V8 to weigh in under 3,700 pounds.

It can be done. It will just result in a Camaro that is more expensive. If that's ok, then just accept that but don't kid yourselves that it would somehow be "easy".

The C6 Z06, all the aluminum and all the CF on that car saved just enough weight to offset the dry sump oil, larger wheels, tires and brakes.

Would I like (dare I say love) to see a 3,600 pound SS Camaro? Yep, but it would be a very small (ATS size) and very expensive Camaro. And I'm not in favor of either of those. There is just no way to get a V8 with a larger/heavier drivetrain, more cooling, bigger brakes, wheels and tires in much under 200 pounds over a V6 ATS. And a V6 ATS is over 3,500 pounds now so you are realistically much closer to 3,700 pounds at best for an SS.

And I'll repeat what I've been saying all along.....an LT1 powered Camaro SS weighing 3,750 pounds will be an amazing car. I don't really think we need more than amazing. That will suffice for me.

[DrkPhx]

^^^ The voice of reason. Thank you. I agree with your points. I don't think everyone realizes cheap and lightweight pony cars are truly a thing of the past. Today's strict safety standards and increasingly stringent CAFE standards make it nearly impossible for the OEM's do this without resorting to expensive materials or drastically reducing the vehicle size.

I'm not expecting a quantum leap in performance (hopefully I'm wrong), but I do expect a vastly improved interior (ergonomics and quality). My only concern is the ATS is smaller and imo feels less roomy than a C5 which will translate to the 6th gen.

[BigShow1960]

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[SuperSound]

So the consensus says 3700lbs is the reasonable target for the SS. I don't see the 2.0T or the V6 Camaro being any heavier than the comparable ATS but Number 3 is right there was a bit of playing with weight in the ATS to get the 50/50 distribution to match the 3 series. So who knows. Does anyone know what the LT1 weights? Couldn't find it in my first couple of searches.

[Jason@JacFab]

Saw an ATS coupe at the dealer yesterday, it seemed really small to me...