[bandit38]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

Fen's thread has the info. It is pretty crappy that they didn't post the info with the pics.

I agree, if you don't do a little digging for more info those pictures are just going to be confusing.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

But nowhere does it state WHICH ENGINE that exhaust manifold is for (LT1, LT4, etc). Unless it's their way of reassuring us a V8 will be available in one model or another?

They did confirm LT1.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400570

Oh i guess i need to refresh the page...

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

You can see another piece like it in this pic and where I cropped it

You have an eagle eye, I see two of them, one on each side.

[Muscle Car Lover]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Lover

Exhaust looks most certainly like tri-y's!!!! F!!!! Of course they put this on the new model

CONFIRMED - Tri-Y's!!!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by BahamaTodd

Well GM does sell 3 times as many Camaros compared to ATSs, so I'm sure that is taken into account to spread costs and keep the price down.

It is..................but selling more of something doesn't mean you get to put more cost into the product. ATS was supposed to sell at much higher volumes, more like 3 Series.

Doesn't mean GM won't differentiate further between the SS and LS/LT either. But it is very hard to put premium materials in a sub $30,000 and keep it profitable.

But you've hit on one of the problems. If GM has 70% new parts, then they aren't getting any advantage on costs based on ATS/CTS volumes. But likely those are the 70% that include interior trim and body that would obviously be different.

But the really scary thing that crossrd my mind was when GM introduced the Saturn L series mid size cars based on the Opel Vectra. There was a video of someone proudly emptying a box with all the parts that were common with the Opel....................2 parts came out of the box as I recall. The Opel Vectra was a pretty good car. Saturn L? Not so much.

Not suggesting the same fate, it just reminded me of that.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by fradaj

You have an eagle eye, I see two of them, one on each side.

Yeah I saw them both too, the one was just more recognizable though. There are probably other similar braces scattered around the Chassis.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

That's a Tri-Y shorty manifold. That's HUGE for a production V8. Most V8s come with cast-iron JUNK. Previously this was only offered on the $75K Z/28. For a production emissions passing car that's HUGE!

The 5.0 has had tubular shorties since it was introduced.

[Wizard1183]

I think that may be the grille or possible hood vent. I lean stronger on it being the center of the grille.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

I think that may be the grille or possible hood vent. I lean stronger on it being the center of the grille.

From the prototype running around it looks like there are several different grille designs.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

I think that may be the grille or possible hood vent. I lean stronger on it being the center of the grille.

I think it will be the grill design on the SS.

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by Number 3

It is..................but selling more of something doesn't mean you get to put more cost into the product. ATS was supposed to sell at much higher volumes, more like 3 Series.

Doesn't mean GM won't differentiate further between the SS and LS/LT either. But it is very hard to put premium materials in a sub $30,000 and keep it profitable.

But you've hit on one of the problems. If GM has 70% new parts, then they aren't getting any advantage on costs based on ATS/CTS volumes. But likely those are the 70% that include interior trim and body that would obviously be different.

But the really scary thing that crossrd my mind was when GM introduced the Saturn L series mid size cars based on the Opel Vectra. There was a video of someone proudly emptying a box with all the parts that were common with the Opel....................2 parts came out of the box as I recall. The Opel Vectra was a pretty good car. Saturn L? Not so much.

Not suggesting the same fate, it just reminded me of that.

One would think the Camaro would have a bigger budget than the newer and unproven ATS, but that's just a guess on my part. I think Cadillac is slowly out pricing their product which is accounting for the less than expected sales. The ATS-V looks to be a nice car, but way over priced imo. I'm guessing the pricing for the new CTS-V will also be over priced.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

One would think the Camaro would have a bigger budget than the newer and unproven ATS, but that's just a guess on my part. I think Cadillac is slowly out pricing their product which is accounting for the less than expected sales. The ATS-V looks to be a nice car, but way over priced imo. I'm guessing the pricing for the new CTS-V will also be over priced.

Overpriced compared to what? It's in line with the cars in the segment. They're all overpriced then.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Overpriced compared to what? It's in line with the cars in the segment. They're all overpriced then.

Exactly. I thought I heard they felt they needed to price it up to make M and AMG owners actually consider it a competitor.

[LesserO2Evils]

Yeah... this ATS is tits. It is well worth the price. Esp compared to its euro competition.