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Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

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"Camaro Chief Al Oppenheiser: Next-Gen Camaro Will Not Offer A Four-Cylinder

In a bid to offer a more refined, efficient, and nimble car that will be competitive not only in North America, but in Europe as well as in other parts of the world, Ford has said it will offer a turbocharged four-cylinder engine in the next-generation 2015 Mustang. This has led to speculation that General Motors will follow suit and offer a four-banger in the next-gen 2015 (or 2016) Camaro.

According to AutoGuide, a four cylinder engine option will not find its way under the hood of the next Camaro, at least not if Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser has anything to do with it.

“We’re not following Ford”, Oppenheiser told AG during the 2013 SEMA show. “As long as they’ll pay me to be the chief engineer, I’m going to fight for every horsepower I can and every cylinder I can,” he said. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards for cars will jump from an average of 27.5 MPG, where it has been since 1990, to 37.8 MPG by 2016. This mandated increase is forcing automakers to downsize engines, some of which have been removing two cylinders while adding forced induction such as turbo-charging. As such, some V8s are being replaced with turbo-charged six-cylinders, and naturally-aspirated six-cylinders have been eschewed in favor of boosted fours.

For its part, General Motors is no longer offering a six-cylinder engine in the 2013 Chevrolet Malibu or Buick Regal, opting to solely offer powerful turbo-charged four-bangers. But The General has also been able to avoid downsizing its engines in its all-new full-size pickup trucks such as the 2014 Silverado and 2014 Sierra. Instead of downsizing, GM elected to engineer an all-new eight-cylinder engine line called EcoTec3 with a host of modern technologies such as direct injection, variable valve timing, and active fuel management, also known as cylinder deactivation. By contrast, cross-town rival Ford has fully embraced the downsizing trend, and is experiencing a great degree of success with its EcoBoost four- and six-cylinder powerplants.

Oppenheiser addressed the possible future demise of V8 engines, saying that, “In the future, something I don’t think the public realizes yet, there may be a day when nobody, Ford, Chrysler or GM has a V8, or if they do it would be a very highly-priced V8 because you’ve got to add your whole stable of cars and come up with a fuel economy number”.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

What Al wants and what GM corporate tells him to do are two very different things.

Just sayin'.

Furthermore - Scott has openly said that Al was misquoted in the article.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Reading comprehension is important.

lol....funny ain't it?

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Reading comprehension is important.

? Can you be less cryptic? Earlier I mentioned the SS sedan, the guy I quoted said it was going to be a 4 banger.

I still don't see 4 banger in ANY reviews of this car.

[revychevy]

In any event I was talking about whether the SS was going to be V8 (in response to they can't make anymore V8 cars. He replied with some nonsense about the commodore and badge engineering of a similar car sold in Australia.

This thread is about Camaro sold in the US and whether GM would be forced to make a 4 banger Camaro.

My point stands thank you very much-- that if they are making a full sized 4door V8 SS sedan, they must not yet be done with V8s!

You can keep your sarcasm, and your smarmy little insults roll
Em into a ball and stick them deep in your four corner contact!

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by revychevy

? Can you be less cryptic? Earlier I mentioned the SS sedan, the guy I quoted said it was going to be a 4 banger.

I still don't see 4 banger in ANY reviews of this car.

Again, reading comprehension is important.

He's referring to the next-generation Commodore, which is likely going FWD Epsilon with a 4-cylinder base engine.

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Again, reading comprehension is important.

He's referring to the next-generation Commodore, which is likely going FWD Epsilon with a 4-cylinder base engine.

His referral was irrelevant to my assertion that the CHEVY SS was V8!
His referral to the Commodor was in a post (if you have reading comprehension) that was rebutting my comment about the CHEVY SS SEDAN! So he remarked that I was wrong because a DIFFERENT CAR NOT SOLD IN THE US will be 4 cylinder , but NOT THE ONE I SAID!

Get my drift?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by revychevy

His referral was irrelevant to my assertion that the CHEVY SS was V8!
His referral to the Commodor was in a post (if you have reading comprehension) that was rebutting my comment about the CHEVY SS SEDAN! So he remarked that I was wrong because a DIFFERENT CAR NOT SOLD IN THE US will be 4 cylinder , but NOT THE ONE I SAID!

Get my drift?

The CURRENT Commodore/SS Sedan has a V8.

The next generation will most likely not. The point he's trying to make is the SS is part of a dying breed and GM is moving Commodore towards a 4-cylinder future, which may happen with the 6th gen Camaro as well. Just look at GM's sales projections for SS, even they don't expect to sell many of them. V8 RWD sedans are now a niche market, so that's a terrible argument for you to use to justify not putting a 4-cylinder into Camaro.

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The CURRENT Commodore/SS Sedan has a V8.

The next generation will most likely not. The point he's trying to make is the SS is part of a dying breed and GM is moving Commodore towards a 4-cylinder future, which may happen with the 6th gen Camaro as well. Just look at GM's sales projections for SS, even they don't expect to sell many of them. V8 RWD sedans are now a niche market, so that's a terrible argument for you to use to justify not putting a 4-cylinder into Camaro.

It's so dying that GM is coming out with a sedan V8, a Z-28 V8, a corvette sting ray V8 and a super charged corvette Z06 V8.

Yeah. V8's are over, they just did all that plus a refresh on Camaro's for just one year.

Then everybody's getting 4 bangers.

[revychevy]

Your problem Fenwick is you think because you say something it must be believed as true.

If GM projections were that the SS was a dog, and that all V8's were done and should be 4 bangers. WHY MAKE THEM?

All those cars would be econo box 4's -- the Corvette would be discontinued and we wouldn't have a Camaro enthusiast site for a Chevy econo box!

[FenwickHockey65]

"V8 RWD sedans are now a niche market" is what I said. I didn't say anything about Corvette or Camaro V8s going away.

But to be perfectly honest, neither of those are high volume cars either.

Your problem is you're so desperately clinging to the notion of a V8 that apparently you think anything less spells the end of the world and if anyone brings up an alternative, you view it as an attack on V8s as a whole. NOWHERE have I said that V8s are dying. In fact the Gen V V8s are probably among the best engines on the market right now in terms of power, technology, and FE.

And GM projections DO list SS as a low-volume niche car. That is not opinion, that is FACT.

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[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by revychevy

His referral was irrelevant to my assertion that the CHEVY SS was V8!
His referral to the Commodor was in a post (if you have reading comprehension) that was rebutting my comment about the CHEVY SS SEDAN! So he remarked that I was wrong because a DIFFERENT CAR NOT SOLD IN THE US will be 4 cylinder , but NOT THE ONE I SAID!

Get my drift?

...caps are rude in text....just sayin'...

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The CURRENT Commodore/SS Sedan has a V8.

The next generation will most likely not. The point he's trying to make is the SS is part of a dying breed and GM is moving Commodore towards a 4-cylinder future, which may happen with the 6th gen Camaro as well. Just look at GM's sales projections for SS, even they don't expect to sell many of them. V8 RWD sedans are now a niche market, so that's a terrible argument for you to use to justify not putting a 4-cylinder into Camaro.

Isn't this where you said, "the SS is part of a dying breed..."

Looks that way to me. Then you try to change what you said-- like it's not there?

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...caps are rude in text....just sayin'...

If I capitalized everything I would be shouting and I would agree with you.

But if you capitalize a word or two for EMPHASIS it's not shouting and NOT rude.