[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I wasn't necessarily replying to you. Just commenting that the Camaro line up is pretty full and covers a wide range of performance. It's just missing the track monster, and that will be more money.

Isn't 7:29 at the ring a "track monster"?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Isn't 7:29 at the ring a "track monster"?

7:29 is very fast but I don't think it's the fastest the Alpha Camaro can go.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

if a ZL1 is now close to 68K (MSRP like the one i have on order) with with all the good parts needed only, think the Z/28 will price out at 84K IMO



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I think the Z?28 will inherit the top spot, for a short time only, the Corvette will get it back as soon as the new mid engine is out.

Cant see how GM can sale the new Z/28 under $80K if the last car was $76K, that will be the lowest increase in price going from 5th to 6th gen model to same model.

I can't see how they would make the mistake of pricing the Z/28 that high again. There's no reason GM can't dip into the existing parts bin and make a $65k Z/28. It's not like it would compete with the ZL1 for sales.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

7:29 is very fast but I don't think it's the fastest the Alpha Camaro can go.

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Originally Posted by Thor142

I can't see how they would make the mistake of pricing the Z/28 that high again. There's no reason GM can't dip into the existing parts bin and make a $65k Z/28. It's not like it would compete with the ZL1 for sales.

The price alone wasn't the mistake. It was a combination of things, probably the most influential of which was more than tripling production in 2015, the last year of the generation...

The ZL1 sits pretty at $65k and performs like it does...there is very little purpose to building a Z/28, at this point, if it's not faster than a ZL1...

So what parts do you suppose are available and ready to create a Z/28 that is faster than the ZL1 on a track for $65k? And remember that any light-weighting, or decontenting is going to cost more money, not less...

[mkorgan]

MY opinion on the Z/28 slow sales is that it looked identical to the SS except for the aero around the bottom of the car which was minimal. Combine that with the price north of the ZL1 (which in my mind was the far better value and car - I owned both for over two years), and the fact they over estimated the market and you get a car that sits. I loved my Z/28 and would buy a Gen6 variant if it continued the progression in performance BUT I would want it to look more distinct than just rims and tires.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

MY opinion on the Z/28 slow sales is that it looked identical to the SS except for the aero around the bottom of the car which was minimal. Combine that with the price north of the ZL1 (which in my mind was the far better value and car - I owned both for over two years), and the fact they over estimated the market and you get a car that sits. I loved my Z/28 and would buy a Gen6 variant if it continued the progression in performance BUT I would want it to look more distinct than just rims and tires.

So your 1970-1/2 Z-28 looks different then any 1970-1/2 Camaro how?

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

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The price alone wasn't the mistake. It was a combination of things, probably the most influential of which was more than tripling production in 2015, the last year of the generation...

The ZL1 sits pretty at $65k and performs like it does...there is very little purpose to building a Z/28, at this point, if it's not faster than a ZL1...

So what parts do you suppose are available and ready to create a Z/28 that is faster than the ZL1 on a track for $65k? And remember that any light-weighting, or decontenting is going to cost more money, not less...

where did you get $65K from ? that car has no PDR or A10 to be that low, and it needs at lest the A10 to make the time posted.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

where did you get $65K from ? that car has no PDR or A10 to be that low, and it needs at lest the A10 to make the time posted.

Ok, so 66k. I was responding to his claim of 65k...you don't need PDR to go fast. And on a road course...you don't even need the A10 to go fast.

[mkorgan]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

So your 1970-1/2 Z-28 looks different then any 1970-1/2 Camaro how?

Different time / Different economic impact. My dad bought the Z I know own brand new and it was $1300 upgrade over the base V8 model. Very much like the 1LE now is for the base SS. For ~$4K more, I would not expect the 1LE to look much different than the SS and it doesn't. The Z/28 has morphed into a car that is twice the cost of the base V8 which I believe delivers the expectation that is should have some visual queues as to how uniquely different it is beside badging and rims. Why do they make the Z06 Vette look significantly different than the base Vette? Why does Ford make the Raptor look significantly different than a standard F150? Have you seen the new GT350R? No mistaking that for a base GT. Times and money involved are significantly different now versus 47 years ago.

BTW, I am not attacking the Gen5 Z/28. I owned one until my Gen6 ZL1 surpassed it in every possible manner so I sold it. I loved that car and it is still one of my favorites (I have owned 22 Camaros in my lifetime). I only am sharing what many a person told me when I explained to them they were not looking at an SS with ground effects and different rims.

[90503]

FWIW a news story today talked about Nascar's record low popularity with low TV ratings and record low attendance at Nascar events....Just sayin', Daytona may not have much impact for any "reveal" of anything....The race-car/track car angle just isn't what it used to be....

I hope they feel there are enough enthusiasts to justify some sort of Z/28, because the few that remain will be the only customers it may have...

Don't mean to be a downer, just throwing it out there....Peace.

[Bhobbs]

They rolled out the ZL1 at the media event for the turbo 4. I don't think there's really any pattern to how GM wants to show off the 6th gen.

If its not this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if it's shown off along side the GT4.R.

[whiteboyblues2001]

There are some indications that the Z/28 (if there is one) will be revealed at Daytona, but I have a few doubts. Several indications point to an LT5 going in one of the new Corvettes and into the Camaro (and later on, into the high end trucks and SUV's).

If a new 'vette shares an engine with the new Z/28, wouldn't GM show the 'vette first? It would seem a little awkward for GM to say "Look, we built the long lost Zora mid-engined 'vette after 20 bazillion years of speculation, and it features a Camaro engine."

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If its not this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if it's shown off along side the GT4.R.

We still haven't seen the GT4.R car in the flesh - I think you may be on to something...

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

We still haven't seen the GT4.R car in the flesh - I think you may be on to something...

I'd almost bet money on it. If the Z/28 is going to be a street legal race car, loaded up with high priced fast lap goodies, no better way to give it instant credibility than show it off next to the real race car. It worked for the Z06.