Bob Lutz Fires ICBM - Page 2

ssrs2lt · 11-13-2017, 05:26 PM

Wow he laid it out..gotta like leaders who aren't satisfied because they know things could be improved upon..

Marty McFlew · 11-13-2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

He mentions it as a positive that the Mustang looks European. I think that's a HUGE negative.

I have never been impressed with European cars, not exactly a plus unless you are Bouje' or something. I bet he drives a BMW.

SuperSound · 11-13-2017, 05:36 PM

On the other hand, Lutz writes, “The minute I saw the new Mustang and the new Camaro, I knew Ford had won this round. The Mustang is a design masterpiece: sleek, semi-European, yet still a Mustang. Independent rear suspension or not, it is a winner.”

There’s a reason the Dodge Challenger outsold both the Mustang and Camaro earlier this year: Dodge knows who’s buying the car.

So if the Mustang is a winner looks wise, and the Challenger has not changed significantly (looks wise) since it's release almost 10 years ago...how did it beat the Mustang this year? Answer, that one Lutz.

SSfriendly · 11-13-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

He mentions it as a positive that the Mustang looks European. I think that's a HUGE negative.

Until you look at the mustangs oversea sales.

SuperSound · 11-13-2017, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Until you look at the mustangs oversea sales.

I'd hope European styling sells in Europe

greaser2 · 11-13-2017, 05:48 PM

I agree that the Gen 6 Camaro looks to much like the Gen 5. However, the challenger, Camaro, and Mustang have all gotten their resurgence from the fact that they look like their late 60’s version. So, I don’t agree that the Mustang is doing better because it’s more European looking. IMO, it’s always been Brand Loyalty. Ford has always done better in the new car arena while chevy seems to to better in the long run.

Gunkk · 11-13-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fastball

...you can’t get a moonroof on the Mustang lol

Or a 650hp convertible

jaysonstuart · 11-13-2017, 05:53 PM

Opinions are like assholes.

We all know the rest.

6spdhyperblue · 11-13-2017, 05:54 PM

I would have to say the Camaro is the worst looker of the bunch tho

kttxz06 · 11-13-2017, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicul15

I would have to say the Camaro is the worst looker of the bunch tho

Subjective. Opinion respected. To me, Dodge's are completely hideous. The only Mustang I like is the Super Snake and GT 350. My buddy has a Roush and he's on my nuts about my Zl1. He wishes he bought the Zl1. I don't even give a 2nd look to Mustangs. Ever. Now a clean Camaro will get my attention. I rarely even pay attention to Chargers or Challengers anymore either.

Martinjlm · 11-13-2017, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

I have never been impressed with European cars, not exactly a plus unless you are Bouje' or something. I bet he drives a BMW.

Probably. He did used to work there. And GM (twice) and Ford and Chrysler (Viper).

I used to sit behind him at a weekly meeting at GM. He was seated at the "decision making table", I was in the row behind because I was a support person to the guy that always sat next to Bob. Bob was one of the first people to use a Blackberry. Within months most GM execs and managers (self included) were issued Blackberries.

He'd sit quietly in the meeting to the point where some people thought he was napping, then someone would get to a page in their presentation and he would stop them and say something like..."the last time you showed us this I asked you to come back with more information on <something specific and important>. "Did you do that?" "No?....then why are we talking about this? I don't think you should move any further until you've answered our questions"

My point being, even when you thought he wasn't paying attention, he was. He was wrong sometimes, but he was right a heck of a lot more than he was wrong.

Glen e · 11-13-2017, 06:51 PM

Great story.....he really is one of the visionaries in the biz, no matter what you think of his Camaro stance.....

motorhead · 11-13-2017, 07:22 PM

Well, this is all a moot point anyhow. He also claims that no one will own a car in less than 20 years.

CamaroBody · 11-13-2017, 07:47 PM

Camaro > Mustang/Dodge as Lamborghini > Ferrari (my opinion will never change)

- I very much prefer the design of the Camaro to the Mustang or Challenger.

- I would never buy a Mustang or Challenger (I prefer the Corvette or a Mercedes/BMW).

- Camaro will always be my preference over the Mustang.

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SuperSound Drives: '17 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 5,063 View My Garage	On the other hand, Lutz writes, “The minute I saw the new Mustang and the new Camaro, I knew Ford had won this round. The Mustang is a design masterpiece: sleek, semi-European, yet still a Mustang. Independent rear suspension or not, it is a winner.” There’s a reason the Dodge Challenger outsold both the Mustang and Camaro earlier this year: Dodge knows who’s buying the car. So if the Mustang is a winner looks wise, and the Challenger has not changed significantly (looks wise) since it's release almost 10 years ago...how did it beat the Mustang this year? Answer, that one Lutz. __________________ Current: '17 2SS Hyper Blue, A8, MRC, NPP Past: '99 SS Camaro A4, '73 Camaro 383 A3 "Voices in your head are not considered insider information." 3800 Status - 6/16/16 (Built!) 6000 status - 6/29/16 (Delivered!)

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CamaroBody Drives: Hyper Blue 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: CA Posts: 1,160	Camaro > Mustang/Dodge as Lamborghini > Ferrari (my opinion will never change) - I very much prefer the design of the Camaro to the Mustang or Challenger. - I would never buy a Mustang or Challenger (I prefer the Corvette or a Mercedes/BMW). - Camaro will always be my preference over the Mustang. . __________________ 2SS, Hyper Blue, 8-Speed Automatic, NPP Exhaust, Magnetic Ride Control, Sunroof, Navigation, 5-Spoke Low-Gloss Black Wheels, Black Bowtie Emblems, Cargo Mat/Net Mods: XPEL - Hood, Bumper, Headlights, & Side Mirrors JWM - Side Markers ZL1 Addons - Deluxe Rock Guards & Red Lift Pads GM - Dark Tail Lamps MRR - Gloss Black M017s

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greaser2 Drives: 2017 A10 ZL1 KG Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Porter TX Posts: 315	I agree that the Gen 6 Camaro looks to much like the Gen 5. However, the challenger, Camaro, and Mustang have all gotten their resurgence from the fact that they look like their late 60’s version. So, I don’t agree that the Mustang is doing better because it’s more European looking. IMO, it’s always been Brand Loyalty. Ford has always done better in the new car arena while chevy seems to to better in the long run.

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jaysonstuart Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Albany, OR Posts: 685 View My Garage	Opinions are like assholes. We all know the rest.

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6spdhyperblue Drives: 6th gen Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,677	I would have to say the Camaro is the worst looker of the bunch tho

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motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Well, this is all a moot point anyhow. He also claims that no one will own a car in less than 20 years.

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