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Thanks Ted.
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10-22-2014, 04:52 PM | #44 | ||
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I've never done it so I started this thread to let those that have speak Quote:
Exactly we have a lot of camaro's in the crew around here in the DMV And I'm noticing the same thing The tuner matters a lot Just watching your car grow was definitely eye opening because you did everything in steps so it was very apparent the differences step to step
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10-22-2014, 05:01 PM | #45 | |
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1st you start off saying that all it takes to break 11's is wheels, tires, gearing, and weight reduction like seats out. Then later you modify that and you add in torque converter, suspension work and a basic tune? Is it maybe be you realize you have stuck your head in an area that you are unfamiliar with?? By your logic a tune is never needed until you get deep into Bolt Ons bc the amount gained is negligent? But coming from a guy that A) doesn't have a tune on his car so you can't even speak for the difference? Only know what others have told you. B) makes unrealistic statements about what this and that will do. We get it, you don't favor a tune whether it be on a stock SS OR BOLT ON car. Or should I say it makes such a small difference compared to a specific mod? If you had a tune on your car even stock the 1st thing you would realize is how shitty the stock transmission tune is!! Guess what? Zero HP GAIN but I bet it helps ET not to mention now it feels like a muscle car should. You also don't have an aftermarket torque converter so you have no clue as to how much work it takes to dial them in. Yes you may have drag racing experience as did I. I raced a 67 Camaro for 15years, but when I bought my 2011 Camaro it was a brand new learning curve! Basic drag racing principles still apply however application of mods and tuning are very different. Enter the world of tuning with a laptop computer with HP tuners software or EFIlive or equivalent. IRS, and the fact that's its a pig of a car. Again you haven't walked this walk with this car. It would be like be trying to tell Jaime (Mikes fast SS) how to tune or modify his supercharged SS! I know and understand a lot but I haven't done it. Maybe a year ago he would take my advice lol. And lastly you only know that the surface of the earth is blue Bc you saw it on cartoons! Ie...someone told you that it was. Not Bc you went to the moon yourself to know! That means that theoretically your example puts you no smarter than a 3rd grader being that you have no relevant experience with it. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm sure that what you were told was correct. This time you guessed right. You however are being the equivalent of the fat personal trainer that tells you that it's easy to lose weight yet you haven't got yourself in shape yet so all you know is what you read. I'll see you on the track or the gym! |
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LOL thanks that sounds like a plan
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10-22-2014, 06:17 PM | #47 | |
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Choco, so if you remember what 'Tech was like from '98 to '08 for example, a converter swap trumped a gear swap for any A4 4th gen regardless of whether it was a 3.23 car or a 2.73 car. In fact, that was one of the big epiphanies for people modifying the LS1 4th gen. I remember the LT1 crowd with their go-to recipe to run 12's... 2800 stall, 3.73s, BFG drag radials, cold air and a tune. And a car like that would run 12.9@104. The big epiphany was that a converter swap would yield the biggest drop in ET at the track. We were running Yank TP4500s. They were pretty drive-able when you have a 4th gen that was 3200-3400 with driver. A gear swap in a 4th gen was worth maybe a tenth and 2 mph. A converter swap was worth 4 tenths.
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SI 11's in 4th gens wasn't so easy in the beginning either. Tuners had to pay a lot of attention to the shifts, apply release stuff, etc. You basically cannot run SI 11's in an auto 5th gen without tuning. Even if you tried to get there with gear and no converter you'd still have to adjust all the trans tables. And it's not just shift points, its also torque management, line pressure, blah blah blah.
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10-23-2014, 07:41 AM | #48 | |
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10-23-2014, 09:55 AM | #49 |
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i want to be in the 11 second bolt-on club...
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10-23-2014, 10:00 AM | #50 |
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I can definitely help you do that.
Ted.
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10-23-2014, 10:01 AM | #51 | |
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I went 12.06 seats in, 18x9.5's up front. I tried like crazy to go 11.99, I couldn't hook it. I ran 11.9s on other passes even with tire spin.
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im going to be sending you some data logs hopefully this weekend if i can.
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10-23-2014, 12:09 PM | #53 |
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I think -800 DA air plus skinnies and the seats out you might squeak into an 11.99.
That said in -800 DA air I would hope to run 11.6's.
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ive seen some real negative air here a few times.
for example, the DA here is currently -228 |
10-23-2014, 12:20 PM | #55 |
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Between the seat and skinnies (I assume you completely empty the trunk already) you could pull out near 120 lbs.
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10-23-2014, 12:21 PM | #56 |
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well i dont have skinnies anymore lol
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