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Old 11-08-2017, 02:25 PM   #1079
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I think its a struggle to identify what is important to each of us. Especially in light of voices advocating for changes when they are not Camaro buyers (ever).

My opinion...
- More weight and bigger dimensions isn't worth a larger seat.

- The truck lift-over height absolutely could have improved to make it better

- Visibility is not an issue. Its just not conventional. I drive mine every day, 10,000 mile per year. I never notice it. Never think about it.
I hear you.
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:25 PM   #1080
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I have no idea why you people are arguing rear seat space in either of these cars. I had a 2013 Mustang and space in back was atrocious, but could make it work for a short drive if the driver is uncomfortable as well. My friend has a 2015 and it's even worse. Camaro is even a bit worse? Who cares. I wouldn't put anyone in the backseat of either.. Unless it's a child. Lol.
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:26 PM   #1081
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Haha, touche'. The guy in the mustang must have a long torso, because I'm 6'2" and don't have to tilt my head (although it does touch). Have had several adults back there without having to as well.

When I sat in the back of the camaro....yes, it's far worse.
Maybe you've got an odd build. Saabkyle04 wouldn't even attempt it in his review and he's 5'10".

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Matt Marran who's 5'9" talking about no headroom (44 min mark)

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Old 11-08-2017, 02:27 PM   #1082
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I have no idea why you people are arguing rear seat space in either of these cars. I had a 2013 Mustang and space in back was atrocious, but could make it work for a short drive if the driver is uncomfortable as well. My friend has a 2015 and it's even worse. Camaro is even a bit worse? Who cares. I wouldn't put anyone in the backseat of either.. Unless it's a child. Lol.
I may have harped a bit to much on the seat thing, my main gripe would be the trunk lol.
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:02 AM   #1083
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Rear seats are a non-issue for me...although I do prefer to have them in the car. I don't care much about trunk space but it is nice to have.
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:54 AM   #1084
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seems the real world zero to 60 is 5 seconds lol..
another smoke and mirrors malarky from ford...amazing all the idiots getting sucked into the hype about this new mustang.
guys it will be the same as all other mustangs..a collosal pos..
how anyone would pick this ugly car over the gen6 camaro is beyond me.

this refresh is pig ugly..the front end looks like a catfish..hideous car
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:52 AM   #1085
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The back seat in the s197 was actually useable imo. The camaro and s550 are similarly terrible with little leg or head room. Enough space for my kids though which is all I really care about. If I didn’t have kids I would’ve removed the back seats.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:57 PM   #1086
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Can't wait for Matt Farah to get a hold of this car, when it comes to the Mustang that guy is a class A salesman, LOL.
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:06 PM   #1087
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First drive reviews are out today. Autoblog, Road & Track, Car & Driver, etc.

I've read 3 or 4 of them.

Synopsis:
Good driving car
GT sounds much better than before with active valves (mentioned in one review that Camaro already had it)
Mag ride works well (again, mentioned Camaro already had it)
10 spd is great, good mannered, and smart when driven aggressively
New 12" screen looks great
5.0 runs fantastically and builds up to a fury at higher rpms, but still lacks the same lower end punch of the LT1 in the Camaro, although better than before.
Performance Package drives nice and accurate, but not as sharp feeling as 1LE, but more comfortable than 1LE (duh).

Basically...I haven't read anything that surprises me. I haven't seen any 0 - 60 testing or 1/4 mile testing in any of the reviews I read which seemed odd.

I'm annoyed at how many times I'm seeing the reviewers compare the GT with mag ride and PP to the SS1LE. It should be compared to the SS with Mag ride. Even the upcoming MotorTrend Head2Head (which cool!) is still a bummer b/c its this way. They say they can't get their hands on the GTPP2 yet...Ok then why not get an SS with Mag ride instead of the 1LE???
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:14 PM   #1088
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First drive reviews are out today. Autoblog, Road & Track, Car & Driver, etc.

I've read 3 or 4 of them.

Synopsis:
Good driving car
GT sounds much better than before with active valves (mentioned in one review that Camaro already had it)
Mag ride works well (again, mentioned Camaro already had it)
10 spd is great, good mannered, and smart when driven aggressively
New 12" screen looks great
5.0 runs fantastically and builds up to a fury at higher rpms, but still lacks the same lower end punch of the LT1 in the Camaro, although better than before.
Performance Package drives nice and accurate, but not as sharp feeling as 1LE, but more comfortable than 1LE (duh).

Basically...I haven't read anything that surprises me. I haven't seen any 0 - 60 testing or 1/4 mile testing in any of the reviews I read which seemed odd.

I'm annoyed at how many times I'm seeing the reviewers compare the GT with mag ride and PP to the SS1LE. It should be compared to the SS with Mag ride. Even the upcoming MotorTrend Head2Head (which cool!) is still a bummer b/c its this way. They say they can't get their hands on the GTPP2 yet...Ok then why not get an SS with Mag ride instead of the 1LE???
It seems all of these first rides were at a media event, so they could get first impressions. I don't think any of them got to "test" the cars with their equipment.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:30 PM   #1089
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It seems all of these first rides were at a media event, so they could get first impressions. I don't think any of them got to "test" the cars with their equipment.
Oh...yeah "duh" on my part. I should have realized.

Looking forward to the more in depth testing to see how it stacks up.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:35 PM   #1090
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Oh...yeah "duh" on my part. I should have realized.

Looking forward to the more in depth testing to see how it stacks up.
I had the exact same thought as you when reading the first drives, but then I think one of the reviews mentioned it was a media first drive something something something
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:52 PM   #1091
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I had the exact same thought as you when reading the first drives, but then I think one of the reviews mentioned it was a media first drive something something something
Do you think Jalopnik will crash it like they did the Camaro?
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:55 AM   #1092
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Do you think Jalopnik will crash it like they did the Camaro?
So long as they crash into a crowd of people, to do the mustang moniker justice.
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