[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I'm just a d!ck. A d!ck with data.

Meh, Imma Troll (allegedly) with a ZL1

At least you are in good company

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

These are the fundamental issues of why automotive evolution tends to be incremental and new technology has to be well developed before introduction. Electric Vehicles are not fully developed, do not have a stable supply chain and lack adequate support infrastructure.

Spot on! If EVs had another decade as a niche market they might actually be ready for mass market adoption. Instead, the government forced the schedule and this will end with OEMs begging for one or more of the following:

• Regulate the consumer's alternatives out of existence (high ICE registration costs, for example)
• Subsidize the hell out of the oversupply
• Bailout to absorb losses
• either tax petroleum or limit supply to make it unaffordable

I saw a Youtube video about how Stellantis was paying Tesla a bazillion dollars every year to buy some bogus CO2 credits. That bill was one of the main things that took the Hemi out of existence. Everyone wants to hate on Dodge for ending it, but it was the gov't behind the curtain pulling the levers. How many times in history has a government creating a false economy outside of consumer demand worked out well? I think the gov't has the notion they can apply their successful regulation of incandescent light bulbs as a use case to drive something into adoption and force innovation, but the automotive industry is far more complex.

[SSShark]

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Afraid of upsetting their government masters?

No. GM is trying to satisfy stock holders, not the government. I know this doesn’t fit the narrative but that’s all it’s about.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Not to mention it being a vital component of fertilizer. So as long as we want to eat we'll probably need it.

Unless ve vill eat ze bugz and bee happy.

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Spot on! If EVs had another decade as a niche market they might be ready mass market adoption. Instead, the government forced the schedule and this will end with OEMs begging for one ore more of the following:

• Regulate the consumer's alternatives out of existence (ICE registration costs, for example)
• Subsidize the hell out of the oversupply
• Bailout to absorb losses
• either tax petroleum or limit supply to make it unaffordable

I saw a Youtube video about how Stellantis was paying Tesla a bazillion dollars every year to buy some bogus CO2 credits. That bill was one of the main things that took the Hemi out of existence. Everyone wants to hate on Dodge, but it was the gov't behind the curtain pulling the levers. How many times in history has a government creating a false economy outside of consumer demand work out well? I think the gov't has the notion they can apply their successful incandescent light bulb use case to drive something into adoption and force innovation, but the automotive industry is far more complex.

Those credits are also what helped Tesla stay afloat long enough to actually start making a profit. If companies organically decided to invest in Tesla, like companies sometimes do that'd be cool. But Tesla was kept afloat by companies buying "carbon credits" from them.



Electric is cool but I feel it is being forced too soon and knowing the government, those timelines they set will slip. They will kick the can down the road a few more years

[genxer]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment - Most guys will end up on the EV side.

Most guys anymore are whipped - Even if they're more machine savvy, they'll let their better half make the family vehicle choices. It'll be choice influenced by marketing or PR and the social circles that endorse it.

Most guys are tech worshippers - They want their car/truck to have the new tech. They shell out for big data plans and new phones. And join the trendy app or shopping account with no privacy concerns. They've got their pants down to get boned by big banks and big tech, that has been raking in the speculative, ESG, printed bucks anyway.

Most guys are sell outs - They'll openly complain about the government, really knowing it's been bought by social engineer A-holes. But when the chance comes to pad that establishment-funding IRA comes, they'll be there. When those social engineers dangle that tax rebate to buy the EV. They'll come around to that also.

...Tell me I'm wrong.

[Camby]

This thread needs a psychiatrist.


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[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Camby

This thread needs a psychiatrist.

Every single one of these EV threads turn out the same way.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by genxer

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment - Most guys will end up on the EV side.

Most guys anymore are whipped - Even if they're more machine savvy, they'll let their better half make the family vehicle choices. It'll be choice influenced by marketing or PR and the social circles that endorse it.

Most guys are tech worshippers - They want their car/truck to have the new tech. They shell out for big data plans and new phones. And join the trendy app or shopping account with no privacy concerns. They've got their pants down to get boned by big banks and big tech, that has been raking in the speculative, ESG, printed bucks anyway.

Most guys are sell outs - They'll openly complain about the government, really knowing it's been bought by social engineer A-holes. But when the chance comes to pad that establishment-funding IRA comes, they'll be there. When those social engineers dangle that tax rebate to buy the EV. They'll come around to that also.

...Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong. I'm not sure if you are simply reflecting on yourself or what, but this has got to rank up there as one of the dumbest posts I've read on this forum.

[SSShark]

The username says it all

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by jamala00

You're wrong. I'm not sure if you are simply reflecting on yourself or what, but this has got to rank up there as one of the dumbest posts I've read on this forum.

He isn't right, especially about the last point, but not completely wrong either. A big chunk of the contemporary male population does indeed behave like that.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No. GM is trying to satisfy stock holders, not the government. I know this doesn’t fit the narrative but that’s all it’s about.

Stock holders don’t give a rats behind what is produced as long as cash flows are good and hence stock prices continue to go up. Setting aside BlackRock which should be broken up.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

He isn't right, especially about the last point, but not completely wrong either. A big chunk of the contemporary male population does indeed behave like that.

Nailed it again. I don’t know what you do for a living but they better be paying you well.