Pushrod Heritage IN YOUR FACE ford!

BigRedViking · 07-11-2015, 11:43 PM

I love that GM is still pushing the two valve per cylinder architecture.

I wish they had kept the V6 a pushrod engine. I think the 4.3l should have been utilized in the Sixth Generation. Anybody know if the next generation Challenger will be a pushrod engine? Albeit a two sparkplug per cylinder setup.

Autonaut · 07-12-2015, 12:52 AM

Well, if they go with direct injection im guessing there wont be any room for 2 sparkplyfs, or maybe 1 spark plug is all they need as they will be able to control fuel supply that much better.. But im really just guessing..

classicrockr · 07-12-2015, 05:45 AM

So why the whole "in your face Ford" thing?

Curr · 07-12-2015, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by classicrockr

So why the whole "in your face Ford" thing?

Yeah... weird thread.

BigRedViking · 07-12-2015, 10:28 AM

Just tired of hearing the whole new GM isn't the old GM argument. They still make products that are true to their heritage

While remaining a first rate product that routinely out performs Ford. Not to say Ford makes garbage, I really like the new GT Supercar. I'm just proud of the fact that here in 2015 future premium models are still utilizing technology that dates back to the fifties.

BigRedViking · 07-12-2015, 10:29 AM

And I'm weird.

Cody6.2 · 07-12-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedViking

Just tired of hearing the whole new GM isn't the old GM argument. They still make products that are true to their heritage

While remaining a first rate product that routinely out performs Ford. Not to say Ford makes garbage, I really like the new GT Supercar. I'm just proud of the fact that here in 2015 future premium models are still utilizing technology that dates back to the fifties.

Not really but what ever floats your boat.

IOMike · 07-12-2015, 11:08 AM

There is arguably more technology in the new LT-1 than the 5.0 ford motor.

GretchenGotGrowl · 07-12-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedViking

I love that GM is still pushing the two valve per cylinder architecture.

I wish they had kept the V6 a pushrod engine. I think the 4.3l should have been utilized in the Sixth Generation. Anybody know if the next generation Challenger will be a pushrod engine? Albeit a two sparkplug per cylinder setup.

As great as the LV3 engine is, I would not want it in a sports coupe. It red lines at 5800 RPMs after all. Great for pulling stumps but not so much for windy roads.

SpeedIsLife · 07-12-2015, 11:14 AM

Both companies produce great engines, they both do the job in different ways.

It's an advanced variant of the Coyote 5.0 that powers the Koenigsegg Agera.R, btw.

fastball · 07-12-2015, 09:51 PM

The pushrod V6s could not develop the power that you need to be competitive in today's market with a V6. There is no way the 3800 could develop 300+ hp and 270+ ft/lbs of torque. It was maxed out at it's most possible at 210, 250 supercharged, when it was retired in 2008. Ok, so aftermarket parts can add maybe 30 hp.

The DOHC 3.6 will leave any 3800 in the dust, while returning better fuel economy and emissions.

While the 6.2L in the Camaro and Corvette has it's roots in the old, venerable 5.7, the development of that engine is so advanced over the years to today that they're really not that closely related. They share the pushrod architecture and that's about it.

Thor142 · 07-13-2015, 07:22 AM

Bizarre thread. I don't know why Ford would be sad about pushrods. That voodoo engine is sweet.

hotlap · 07-13-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thor142

Bizarre thread. I don't know why Ford would be sad about pushrods. That voodoo engine is sweet.

Apparently their fans feel the large displacement advantage offered by the more efficient packaging of an OHV engine is unfair. Chevy makes power and torque with displacement.

See post 2875. Never thought I'd see those guys admit the LS7 was a better track engine than the Voodoo FPC.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...=7539&page=160

Thor142 · 07-13-2015, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Apparently their fans feel the large displacement advantage offered by the more efficient packaging of an OHV engine is unfair. Chevy makes power and torque with displacement.

See post 2875. Never thought I'd see those guys admit the LS7 was a better track engine than the Voodoo FPC.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...=7539&page=160

I'm not getting into this again. I know better than to say anything good about Ford here. In no hurry to get piled on again. Everything Chevy does is awesome and Ford sucks, There.

07-11-2015, 11:43 PM	#1
BigRedViking Drives: 1987 IROC-Z 5.7L 2016 1SS M6 NGM Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 280 View My Garage	Pushrod Heritage IN YOUR FACE ford! I love that GM is still pushing the two valve per cylinder architecture. I wish they had kept the V6 a pushrod engine. I think the 4.3l should have been utilized in the Sixth Generation. Anybody know if the next generation Challenger will be a pushrod engine? Albeit a two sparkplug per cylinder setup.

07-12-2015, 12:52 AM	#2
Autonaut Drives: El camino Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: World Posts: 193	Well, if they go with direct injection im guessing there wont be any room for 2 sparkplyfs, or maybe 1 spark plug is all they need as they will be able to control fuel supply that much better.. But im really just guessing..

07-12-2015, 05:45 AM	#3
classicrockr Pills are for Pansies Drives: 2023 2SS Red Hot Vert Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Citrus Springs FL Posts: 1,296	So why the whole "in your face Ford" thing?

07-12-2015, 10:28 AM	#5
BigRedViking Drives: 1987 IROC-Z 5.7L 2016 1SS M6 NGM Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 280 View My Garage	Just tired of hearing the whole new GM isn't the old GM argument. They still make products that are true to their heritage While remaining a first rate product that routinely out performs Ford. Not to say Ford makes garbage, I really like the new GT Supercar. I'm just proud of the fact that here in 2015 future premium models are still utilizing technology that dates back to the fifties.

07-12-2015, 10:29 AM	#6
BigRedViking Drives: 1987 IROC-Z 5.7L 2016 1SS M6 NGM Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 280 View My Garage	And I'm weird.

07-12-2015, 11:08 AM	#8
IOMike Drives: 2022 F150, 87 Monte Carlo Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MN Posts: 1,267	There is arguably more technology in the new LT-1 than the 5.0 ford motor.

07-12-2015, 11:14 AM	#10
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Both companies produce great engines, they both do the job in different ways. It's an advanced variant of the Coyote 5.0 that powers the Koenigsegg Agera.R, btw.

07-12-2015, 09:51 PM	#11
fastball Banned Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS 6MT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 4,372	The pushrod V6s could not develop the power that you need to be competitive in today's market with a V6. There is no way the 3800 could develop 300+ hp and 270+ ft/lbs of torque. It was maxed out at it's most possible at 210, 250 supercharged, when it was retired in 2008. Ok, so aftermarket parts can add maybe 30 hp. The DOHC 3.6 will leave any 3800 in the dust, while returning better fuel economy and emissions. While the 6.2L in the Camaro and Corvette has it's roots in the old, venerable 5.7, the development of that engine is so advanced over the years to today that they're really not that closely related. They share the pushrod architecture and that's about it.

07-13-2015, 07:22 AM	#12
Thor142 Drives: 2014 2LS (traded in) 2015 1SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: New York Posts: 2,132	Bizarre thread. I don't know why Ford would be sad about pushrods. That voodoo engine is sweet.

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