[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by shinzon

guys... this is GM.... the same company that brought you the Traverse, Acadia, Enclave, and Oulook. all the same car.

Sharing platforms motors and frames etc.. are a ways to save money. GM is in the business of producing cars.

Hmmm....Ats and ats -v

Ats = Camaro

Do you really think they are going to dump a lot of money in developing new engine when the development is already done and paid for in the ats-v ?

ATS-v = Z28

done and done and already developed and waiting a rebadge.

ATS-V =/= Z/28.
The LF4 is a wash for the LT1. It may make more power but its down on torque. The Z/28 needs something better than the LF4 if it is supposed to compete with the GT350.

[Posaune]

GM still has a live trademark application for LT5.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by Mikes SS

what I never understood was how can Ford always use or develop single purpose engines, but not GM?? surely they have the tech, they just choose not to. Their best bet is to use a 5.0L or 5.7L engine in the new Z/28 and some how/some way get it to have 500hp. The 6th gen is already lighter and for sure they learned a lot on weight savings and aero on the 5th gen Z/28 just put the two together and they will have a winner if it is under $60K

Because until the revival of the Ford GT their top level car has always been the mustang, so the mustang for Ford is essentially the corvette for GM, and you have to look at how they are developed and engineered the same. GM does for the corvette what Ford does for the mustang. Each get their own frames and specially designed engines, for example. GM would need to start treating the camaro as it's own car and create things exclusively for it in order for the engineering and design of the mustang and camaro to be equal, not just put it on an ATS frame with corvette hand-me-down parts.

I'm not saying GM doesn't care about the camaro, they clearly do and the 6th gen is awesome. I'm saying GM would need to the treat the camaro the same as the corvette.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by xgnxs

Because until the revival of the Ford GT their top level car has always been the mustang, so the mustang for Ford is essentially the corvette for GM, and you have to look at how they are developed and engineered the same. GM does for the corvette what Ford does for the mustang. Each get their own frames and specially designed engines, for example. GM would need to start treating the camaro as it's own car and create things exclusively for it in order for the engineering and design of the mustang and camaro to be equal, not just put it on an ATS frame with corvette hand-me-down parts.

I'm not saying GM doesn't care about the camaro, they clearly do and the 6th gen is awesome. I'm saying GM would need to the treat the camaro the same as the corvette.

Maybe that's what GM should do. It's not like the Mustang is any worse or expensive for having it's own chassis and power trains.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

ATS-V =/= Z/28.
The LF4 is a wash for the LT1. It may make more power but its down on torque. The Z/28 needs something better than the LF4 if it is supposed to compete with the GT350.

I agree. I'm somewhat surprised (and a little disappointed) that the ATS-V didn't get the LT1. I bet the fuel economy #s will be better on the LT1 camaro as well!

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Z/284ever

So true!

Maybe a Z/28 with a high revving 525HP "LT2," special light weight wheels, carbon brakes and special light weight features. For around $48K.

[PYROLYSIS]

LT-1 -1LE
LT4-ZL1
302?-Z/28

Sounds like a no brainer to me. A new 302 seemed all but impossible until this came about. It doesn't have to have 600HP, 525 or so would be fine and price it near the GT350. I'll take mine in Hyper Blue.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

LT-1 -1LE
LT4-ZL1
302?-Z/28

Sounds like a no brainer to me. A new 302 seemed all but impossible until this came about. It doesn't have to have 600HP, 525 or so would be fine and price it near the GT350. I'll take mine in Hyper Blue.

An LTx 302 won't make enough power, at least in smog legal form, to compete with the 5.2 Voodoo.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Maybe a Z/28 with a high revving 525HP "LT2," special light weight wheels, carbon brakes and special light weight features. For around $48K.

Better make it 527HP, Ford just released GT350 HP numbers.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/02/2...que-confirmed/

[LesserO2Evils]

I cant imagine that big a gap between HP and TQ..

[GretchenGotGrowl]

I still have this gut feeling that there is at least one more LT engine in the GenV group. I think a FI (TT perhaps) version of the L86 would be a good bet. With stronger rods/pistons/crank and different heads that thing could make some real power (550+). Of course, I'm wrong more often than I'm right.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The 'ring time posted was for the R as I recall.

Which was reported by Horsepower Kings and confirmed by no one. As far as I'm concerned it didn't run that time. Horsepower Kings is full of crap.

Originally Posted by Number 3

But this is the fun part. Speculation and discussion. A time so full of hope and anticipation.

Only to be left with sadness and disappointment

Originally Posted by fradaj

Better make it 527HP, Ford just released GT350 HP numbers.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/02/2...que-confirmed/

Nice, basically what I was expecting.

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

I cant imagine that big a gap between HP and TQ..

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta - 730 hp (8,250 redline same as GT350 too) & 509 lb ft of tq.

[Z/284ever]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Maybe a Z/28 with a high revving 525HP "LT2," special light weight wheels, carbon brakes and special light weight features. For around $48K.

Sounds good! Put this guy in charge!

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta - 730 hp (8,250 redline same as GT350 too) & 509 lb ft of tq.

Because FERRARI