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Come on any weight reduction affects fuel economy. GM spent millions on weight reduction programs, as have everyone else. Reducing weight via unsprung components is much more interesting to me in terms of its affect on the vehicle dynamics.
Does the Camaro need a 2-3 mpg increase? No. GM doesn't sell enough of them to affect CAFE ratings significantly. Does the Camaro need reasonable fuel economy? Yes. I mean 16-17 ish for the V8 city, around 20 combined. The Camaro won't be sold in numbers nor should it - its a niche product with good margins if it doesn't get watered down. I hope Chevy continues to focus on VIR and Nuremburgh for the Camaro. Now could Chevy come out with a product like the Subaru FRS? Yeah great, I am interested, but don't split the Camaro program to do it. Too many compromises. Last edited by wakespeak; 12-02-2013 at 10:04 AM. |
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Idk about you guys but the new 6th gen ford mustang marketing campaign sucks!
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12-02-2013, 10:43 AM | #45 | |
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Passenger Volume - ATS: 91 ft3 (4 door); Camaro: 93 ft3 (2 door) Luggage Volume - ATS: 10 ft3 (4 door); Camaro: 11 ft3 (2 door) Somehow a 2 door car has 2 cubic feet more passenger volume and 1 cubic foot more luggage volume.
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Without sitting in the car, I would have never known it was there and I'm not sure if I'm explaining it in a way that folks who haven't sat in the car can picture. None of the interior pictures I've ever seen show the "indentation." Edit: You can actually see the "indentation" (how it curves up against the roof) in this picture, to the right of the side courtesy light:
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They are trying to sell the 14's so they won't come out with a "teaser" until '15.
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And before anyone brings up the concept, it had zero plans for production at reveal.
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12-02-2013, 07:55 PM | #50 |
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...agreed as Fen said, play close to the vest, nothings gained from an an early announcement other than product marketing hype. Don't show your cards before your hand is ready to be played.
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12-02-2013, 08:40 PM | #51 | |
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A high mpg vehicle can still offset a lower one, but the affect is diminished. That is, small cars with really high mpg's don't factor in directly, only the mpg for their footprint. So the 50 mpg hybrid may only provide a 36 mpg contribution to the average calculation. That takes care of the fleet mpg and fine at the fleet level. The second component will the impact of the footprint in terms of a gas guzzler tax. It may be difficult for GM to hurdle this one with the Gen6. Customers may have to pay the gas guzzler tax or an imputed fine incurred by GM. Fine by me as long as the car is worth it. Although the MPG requirements per footprint go up in 2016, there seems room for a V-8 Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger. We just might be paying a higher price for them than we do now. Eventually that may price them out of the market for good as Oppenheiser said. Personally I wouldn't mind having a Tesla and a Camaro to balance my own family average fuel economy . |
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...I would safely say do not wager on that....we <GM> are doing things right....there is no gain to be achieved from an early promo release at this time.
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I don't quite get that, while I agree Chevy will wait and release information when it's ready, I do think there would be something to be gained from stealing some of the new Mustangs thunder even if it was with very minor stuff.
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