[olrocker]

This feels like we’re back to the old days, where all you needed to steal any car was a shim or long pick, a flat head screwdriver, and a hammer.

[L2SS455]

Originally Posted by olrocker

This feels like we’re back to the old days, where all you needed to steal any car was a shim or long pick, a flat head screwdriver, and a hammer.

Maybe worse. Didn't have social media then, like TikTok showing, spreading every a##hole how to do it.

[Mark114]

Originally Posted by L2SS455

Hyundai and KIA was a completely different situation. They simply didn’t have the hardware to prevent thefts. Not true!

Per KIA

"In addition to this ignition cylinder protector, Kia has also designed a software upgrade that further enhances a vehicle’s security by restricting the operation of a vehicle’s ignition system should a potential criminal attempt to steal a locked vehicle without the key,"

So, there you have it. A software upgrade!

Kia thefts have been reported locally by owners after the software update. I see other similar reports on the internet. It would seem that the software update hasn’t resolved the problem after all.

[L2SS455]

Originally Posted by Mark114

Kia thefts have been reported locally by owners after the software update. I see other similar reports on the internet. It would seem that the software update hasn’t resolved the problem after all.

Not surprising. There are multiple ways to steal a car. The point I'm making is that once it's out in the social media world like TikTok, it's duplicated by every Tom, Dick and Harry from Teens on up. Kia's rep. as a easy steal will persist for years to come. That's why we don't want this to happen to Camaro's.

[Evergreen6]

Prediction: It's going to be the GM full-size trucks that cause any kind of retro-fix from GM. Way, WAY more of those get stolen and if I recall they basically have similar security architecture as the Camaro.

[crazedmodder]

Originally Posted by L2SS455

The goal is more consistency with revenue-generating, software and marketing functions to make the groups work more efficiently, while keeping customer experience and quality a top priority."

What does "more consistency with revenue-generating, software and marketing functions" even mean? Sounds like typical PR non-sense. I agree with others about GM being behind in software (I feel this way about most automotive manufacturers to be fair), and that this shake-up might be beneficial for improvements in that area, but I am interpreting that quote as GM targeting software more as a revenue generation stream (subscriptions...) instead of using it as a way of improving their products.

Originally Posted by L2SS455

Not surprising. There are multiple ways to steal a car. The point I'm making is that once it's out in the social media world like TikTok, it's duplicated by every Tom, Dick and Harry from Teens on up. Kia's rep. as a easy steal will persist for years to come. That's why we don't want this to happen to Camaro's.

This is a big worry for me, I've started looking into better security systems for the Camaro but once a car gets a reputation for being easy to steal it will still likely get damaged in the process. Sure, a broken window or damaged dash is better than losing your car completely, but I feel like it is throwing away money to repair damage from failed thefts because of flaws that companies have in their products.

Anyone remember the Mazda 3 generation where if you kicked the door in the right spot it would unlock? Many of the parked Mazda 3s I crossed in that time had big dents in the doors, and this persisted for a long time even after Mazda did their recall to install reinforcement plates as a remedy.

[L2SS455]

This is a big worry for me, too. Had Big plans to see and ride thru America with my VOM 2SS. Now with this New crap (Camaro stealing on the rise), even with IGLA, Compustar T13, OBD Lock, etc. I would never forgive myself, if I left it unattended in some hotel lot and it got broken into with glass., I would be removing for the life of the vehicle.

[90503]

...And just think, all these ongoing software issues that go unresolved and never ending are brought to you buy the same folks who are pushing the ability to "drive" with no-hands on the wheel!

With your family inside and other innocent travelers on the road, it's something to consider with the track record of software in cars before this software dependent "hands-free" bs gets out of control...(pun intended).

[95 imp]

Made the call. Took about 10 minutes. I figured 10-20 minutes talking to GM would be quicker than waiting for police, filing reports, and dealing with the insurance.

IMO, cars will always be stolen. They could get a flatbed or a helicopter to steal it.

That being said, GM has a duty to make my vehicle secure.
Why not just forget door locks and put a toggle switch on the dash?

This cloning business is just about as easy.

Not only that, as some have mentioned, my insurance rates will go up to cover these losses.
I'm sure we will have to pay more period because the odds of a damage claim occurring w/o an actual theft will go up too.

Also, saying it's only a "LA thing", or "California thing" is pretty ignorant. Everyone knows that once a trend starts (good or bad), it will travel across the country. It's only a matter of time.


FWIW, you can also add Dodge to the list of companies that recognized the problem and is/has attempted to fix it.

https://www.dodgegarage.com/news/art...-measures.html

[L2SS455]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Made the call. Took about 10 minutes. I figured 10-20 minutes talking to GM would be quicker than waiting for police, filing reports, and dealing with the insurance.

IMO, cars will always be stolen. They could get a flatbed or a helicopter to steal it.

That being said, GM has a duty to make my vehicle secure.
Why not just forget door locks and put a toggle switch on the dash?

This cloning business is just about as easy.

Not only that, as some have mentioned, my insurance rates will go up to cover these losses.
I'm sure we will have to pay more period because the odds of a damage claim occurring w/o an actual theft will go up too.

Also, saying it's only a "LA thing", or "California thing" is pretty ignorant. Everyone knows that once a trend starts (good or bad), it will travel across the country. It's only a matter of time.


FWIW, you can also add Dodge to the list of companies that recognized the problem and is/has attempted to fix it.

https://www.dodgegarage.com/news/art...-measures.html

They have a key system, preventing thieves from creating a new key fob. WTF !
Come on GM!

[GroundhogSS]

Obviously that Dodge thing from 2021 didn't work or has already been bypassed. Lots of Hellcats and other Stelantis vehicles being stolen now.

[95 imp]

Spoke with my Agent today (Allstate) about discounts for theft deterrents.

It varies from state to state (AZ is a no).

I also asked if, as an individual company, or as a group (insurance association), do they lobby car manufacturers to fix these sorts of issues.

The reply was no.

Specifically, she stated that in the case of KIA, insurance companies either refused to insure any vehicles, or they offered liability only.

Allstate's stand was that if the car owners got mad enough, they'd contact the manufacturers to demand a software patch to solve the problem.

[L2SS455]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Made the call. Took about 10 minutes. I figured 10-20 minutes talking to GM would be quicker than waiting for police, filing reports, and dealing with the insurance.

IMO, cars will always be stolen. They could get a flatbed or a helicopter to steal it.

That being said, GM has a duty to make my vehicle secure.
Why not just forget door locks and put a toggle switch on the dash?

This cloning business is just about as easy.

Not only that, as some have mentioned, my insurance rates will go up to cover these losses.
I'm sure we will have to pay more period because the odds of a damage claim occurring w/o an actual theft will go up too.

Also, saying it's only a "LA thing", or "California thing" is pretty ignorant. Everyone knows that once a trend starts (good or bad), it will travel across the country. It's only a matter of time.


FWIW, you can also add Dodge to the list of companies that recognized the problem and is/has attempted to fix it.

https://www.dodgegarage.com/news/art...-measures.html

Made the call. Took about 10 minutes. I figured 10-20 minutes talking to GM would be quicker than waiting for police, filing reports, and dealing with the insurance.

Thanks, wish every 6th Gen. Camaro owner would do the same.

As said by :"Allstate's stand was that if the car owners got mad enough, they'd contact the manufacturers to demand a software patch to solve the problem."

[Capricio]

Too much hand wringing over the "why even try?" arguments to contend with the flatbeds/helicopters (less than 1%) when a simple relay swap (regardless of appearance of the actual relay) or kill switch will stop the 16 year old with cloning tool from Amazon (99%) in his tracks.