Protect Corvette Or Pass on Engine

dekee · 12-31-2014, 08:13 PM

Do you believe that the new Camaro 6 will get the same engine as the Corvette 15 Z06?

The reason I stated this is that I was reading a good article from CarandDriver that states that CTS-V, which the new Camaro 6 chassis will be based, will use the "mighty 2015 Corvette Z06, which donates its supercharged 6.2 liter LTV4 V-8 engine."

The article can be read here http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news.

ssmike · 12-31-2014, 10:02 PM

The new Camaro is based off the ATS platform, not the CTS. The LT4 engine from the Z06 should make it into the ZL1 when Chevy decides to make a ZL1 version of the Camaro.

Bhobbs · 12-31-2014, 10:19 PM

The Camaro is based on the Alpha platform, same as the ATS and CTS. The Camaro doesn't have to be the same size as the ATS or CTS.

I expect the 6th gen supercharged car, which sounds like it will be the Z/28 based on rumors I've seen, will get the LT4 with a similar output as the CTS-V.

Number 3 · 01-01-2015, 10:12 AM

No reason to suspect GM will "protect" the Corvette.

Arguably in the Gen 6 Corvette and Gen 5 Camaro they shared the base LS3.

The LSA in the ZL1 was nothing available in a Corvette unless you got the LS9 in the $100,000 plus ZR1. So in effect the Camaro had a "readily" available higher HP engine than the Corvette.

And the LS7, although never overlapped between the 2 cars was the Corvette Z06 engine put in the Z/28.

So, no, I don't think the engines will be blocked from the Camaro. The size and weight will automatically make the two cars different in performance.

And Bhobbs is correct. Alpha is the architecture that spawns both ATS and CTS. A good bit of the structure underneath like the floor pan and FOD are common between the two. But slight variations allow for 2 distinct sizes.

hotlap · 01-01-2015, 10:32 AM

We can finally end the Chevy protects Corvette debate now that the LT4 is in CTS-V.

Interesting to note the use of the high rev, 1.7L blower in the CTS-V. The Vette's low hood forced its use but they could have used a lager, slower unit in the V. Obvious that they were satisfied with it during testing.

Bhobbs · 01-01-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

We can finally end the Chevy protects Corvette debate now that the LT4 is in CTS-V.

Interesting to note the use of the high rev, 1.7L blower in the CTS-V. The Vette's low hood forced its use but they could have used a lager, slower unit in the V. Obvious that they were satisfied with it during testing.

Or GM is reducing the number of engines to the bare minimum. That's probablu why the LT4 is in the Z06, CTS-V and likely Z Camaro. GM can't protect the Corvette because they don't have enough engines to do it.

Snakedriver · 01-01-2015, 02:34 PM

The Camaro will get a detuned LT4.

alcal1084 · 01-01-2015, 05:23 PM

Why would it be detuned? The Cadillac version is right there with the corvette and actually has a higher top speed.

Number 3 · 01-01-2015, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakedriver

The Camaro will get a detuned LT4.

The LSA got a 25 HP bump when it went in the Camaro. No reason to protect for a HP number when there is a GT500 coming.

Bhobbs · 01-01-2015, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 3

The LSA got a 25 HP bump when it went in the Camaro. No reason to protect for a HP number when there is a GT500 coming.

Wasn't that due to the less efficient packaging in the old CTS-V engine bay? I thought I read the ZL1 had more room for a better airflow path, or something along those lines, and that accounts for the greater output.

Either way, I highly doubt the 6th gen Z/28 will make more power than the Z06, GT500 or not. All Ford has to do is make more than the Z06 and be safely ahead of the Camaro.

alcal1084 · 01-01-2015, 09:34 PM

I asked a Camaro engineer one time what's the fastest he's ever been on a track doing top speed testing. He told me 205 mph. So the next question was what car. His answer ZL1!!! I was confused how did he go 200+mph in a car that can only go 186... His answer, "all parts of the car have to work at those speeds for us to allow the car to be able to go those speeds". So that ment something on the Camaro wasn't working at 200+ but did in fact work at 186. So they went back into the tune and pulled the car back a little bit so that it would safely run at those speeds. It had nothing to do with the corvette or the mustang just safety.

If you are interested in what part of the car didn't work, it was the windshield wipers.

PYROLYSIS · 01-01-2015, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcal1084

I asked a Camaro engineer one time what's the fastest he's ever been on a track doing top speed testing. He told me 205 mph. So the next question was what car. His answer ZL1!!! I was confused how did he go 200+mph in a car that can only go 186... His answer, "all parts of the car have to work at those speeds for us to allow the car to be able to go those speeds". So that ment something on the Camaro wasn't working at 200+ but did in fact work at 186. So they went back into the tune and pulled the car back a little bit so that it would safely run at those speeds. It had nothing to do with the corvette or the mustang just safety.

If you are interested in what part of the car didn't work, it was the windshield wipers.

Ha. People are always surprised when I tell them my 1LE has the same top speed as a V6 Camaro.

90503 · 01-01-2015, 10:52 PM

...I thought top speed was determined by the rating for the stock tires....Nothing to do with the type of engine....

dekee · 01-02-2015, 12:17 AM

It would be a kick ass engine in the Camaro as the CTS-V engine "is so powerful that it’s almost unsurprising that the new V sedan can hit 60 mph in a claimed 3.7 seconds."

12-31-2014, 08:13 PM	#1
dekee Drives: none Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Georgia Posts: 20	Protect Corvette Or Pass on Engine Do you believe that the new Camaro 6 will get the same engine as the Corvette 15 Z06? The reason I stated this is that I was reading a good article from CarandDriver that states that CTS-V, which the new Camaro 6 chassis will be based, will use the "mighty 2015 Corvette Z06, which donates its supercharged 6.2 liter LTV4 V-8 engine." The article can be read here http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news.

12-31-2014, 10:19 PM	#3
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	The Camaro is based on the Alpha platform, same as the ATS and CTS. The Camaro doesn't have to be the same size as the ATS or CTS. I expect the 6th gen supercharged car, which sounds like it will be the Z/28 based on rumors I've seen, will get the LT4 with a similar output as the CTS-V. __________________

01-01-2015, 10:12 AM	#4
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,170 View My Garage	No reason to suspect GM will "protect" the Corvette. Arguably in the Gen 6 Corvette and Gen 5 Camaro they shared the base LS3. The LSA in the ZL1 was nothing available in a Corvette unless you got the LS9 in the $100,000 plus ZR1. So in effect the Camaro had a "readily" available higher HP engine than the Corvette. And the LS7, although never overlapped between the 2 cars was the Corvette Z06 engine put in the Z/28. So, no, I don't think the engines will be blocked from the Camaro. The size and weight will automatically make the two cars different in performance. And Bhobbs is correct. Alpha is the architecture that spawns both ATS and CTS. A good bit of the structure underneath like the floor pan and FOD are common between the two. But slight variations allow for 2 distinct sizes. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Last edited by Number 3; 01-01-2015 at 10:26 AM.

01-01-2015, 10:32 AM	#5
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,632	We can finally end the Chevy protects Corvette debate now that the LT4 is in CTS-V. Interesting to note the use of the high rev, 1.7L blower in the CTS-V. The Vette's low hood forced its use but they could have used a lager, slower unit in the V. Obvious that they were satisfied with it during testing. __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

12-31-2014, 10:02 PM	#2
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	The new Camaro is based off the ATS platform, not the CTS. The LT4 engine from the Z06 should make it into the ZL1 when Chevy decides to make a ZL1 version of the Camaro.

01-01-2015, 02:34 PM	#7
Snakedriver Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 288	The Camaro will get a detuned LT4.

01-01-2015, 05:23 PM	#8
alcal1084 Drives: 2012 45TH AE SS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 553	Why would it be detuned? The Cadillac version is right there with the corvette and actually has a higher top speed.

01-01-2015, 09:34 PM	#11
alcal1084 Drives: 2012 45TH AE SS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 553	I asked a Camaro engineer one time what's the fastest he's ever been on a track doing top speed testing. He told me 205 mph. So the next question was what car. His answer ZL1!!! I was confused how did he go 200+mph in a car that can only go 186... His answer, "all parts of the car have to work at those speeds for us to allow the car to be able to go those speeds". So that ment something on the Camaro wasn't working at 200+ but did in fact work at 186. So they went back into the tune and pulled the car back a little bit so that it would safely run at those speeds. It had nothing to do with the corvette or the mustang just safety. If you are interested in what part of the car didn't work, it was the windshield wipers.

01-01-2015, 10:52 PM	#13
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,426	...I thought top speed was determined by the rating for the stock tires....Nothing to do with the type of engine....

01-02-2015, 12:17 AM	#14
dekee Drives: none Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Georgia Posts: 20	It would be a kick ass engine in the Camaro as the CTS-V engine "is so powerful that it’s almost unsurprising that the new V sedan can hit 60 mph in a claimed 3.7 seconds."

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