[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

As for the ZL1 performing on the "supercar" level....man are you delusional.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Actually, it did get demolished by all (supercars)..unless you want to consider the likes of a $67k Porsche 718 Cayman S a supercar.

Yes. The ZL1-1LE is a supercar. Faster lap than the McLaren 570GT, GT-R NISMO and Grand Sport. Smokin

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Yes. The ZL1-1LE is a supercar. Faster lap than the McLaren 570GT, GT-R NISMO and Grand Sport. Smokin

Nope, it is and always will be a Camaro, nothing more. Sure it handles phenomenally well, but it does so with a complete compromise in driveability and NVH. GM did a great job of building an all out track camaro, but it's road manners are complete shit. You couldn't pay me to daily drive one on any road north of the Mason Dixon line.

And the quality and materials used are in no way comparable to "real" supercars.

And the acceleration is totally outclassed by "real" supercars. That McLaren 570GT ran a 2.8 0-60 and a 10.7@131.9mph compared to the 3.6 0-60 and a 11.7@123 mph of the ZL1 1LE.

[FastCarFanBoy]

it is a beast on track for sure.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by motorhead

This a Camaro6 not Chargerhellcat1 incase you were lost.


Edit: if you lived by your forum title you would like the ZL1 and the Challenger hellcat too since they are both fast cars. Lol

you can keep saying I dont like the ZL1 or Challycat all you like...but I have never said that.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Nope, it is and always will be a Camaro, nothing more. Sure it handles phenomenally well, but it does so with a complete compromise in driveability and NVH. GM did a great job of building an all out track camaro, but it's road manners are complete shit. You couldn't pay me to daily drive one on any road north of the Mason Dixon line.

And the quality and materials used are in no way comparable to "real" supercars.

And the acceleration is totally outclassed by "real" supercars. That McLaren 570GT ran a 2.8 0-60 and a 10.7@131.9mph compared to the 3.6 0-60 and a 11.7@123 mph of the ZL1 1LE.

Just how many supercars have you owned? Ive been around my fare share and not many of them are known for quality that's for sure. I guarantee you that any of those "super" cars are going to be in the shop getting repairs many more times over what a camaro will be and at a much greater cost. Your post prooves your udder lack of knowledge in the car world. Good job kid.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you can keep saying I dont like the ZL1 or Challycat all you like...but I have never said that.

Okay. Guess I was dreaming when I read your comment. Sorry.

Maybe I misunderstood. What did you mean?

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Just how many supercars have you owned? Ive been around my fare share and not many of them are known for quality that's for sure. I guarantee you that any of those "super" cars are going to be in the shop getting repairs many more times over what a camaro will be and at a much greater cost. Your post prooves your udder lack of knowledge in the car world. Good job kid.

Quite a few actually.

Perhaps I should have worded things a bit differently. Material quality and fit and finish is far better on the exotics than anything GM and Ford (with the exception of the Ford "GT") puts out. We aren't talking about Ferrari's of the 80's and early 90's here.

Quality and reliability are not synonymous.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Nope, it is and always will be a Camaro, nothing more. Sure it handles phenomenally well, but it does so with a complete compromise in driveability and NVH. GM did a great job of building an all out track camaro, but it's road manners are complete shit. You couldn't pay me to daily drive one on any road north of the Mason Dixon line.

And the quality and materials used are in no way comparable to "real" supercars.

And the acceleration is totally outclassed by "real" supercars. That McLaren 570GT ran a 2.8 0-60 and a 10.7@131.9mph compared to the 3.6 0-60 and a 11.7@123 mph of the ZL1 1LE.

You said it wasn’t performing on a supercar level. Quickly proven wrong and changed the subject to NVH and build quality. Fail

Your exact words were that one is delusional for thinking it’s performance was supercar level. It is. You’re wrong

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Quite a few actually.

Perhaps I should have worded things a bit differently. Material quality and fit and finish is far better on the exotics than anything GM and Ford (with the exception of the Ford "GT") puts out. We aren't talking about Ferrari's of the 80's and early 90's here.

Quality and reliability are not synonymous.

Yeah material quality, fit and finish and being the fastest mean everything when your in the shop because your reliability sucks. I'll take a cheap 650HP bulletproof chevy over any Ferrari with whatever rare mammal hide they decide to cover it in to try and make people believe they are actually worth what some rich guy is willing to pay just to say he has one.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

You said it wasn’t performing on a supercar level. Quickly proven wrong and changed the subject to NVH and build quality. Fail

Your exact words were that one is delusional for thinking it’s performance was supercar level. It is. You’re wrong

A fast lap does not make a supercar, I'm not sure where you dreamed up that one. Hell, a Miata can out perform a Ferrari on an autocross track...so it too must surely be performing at a supercar level.

You seem to ignore some of the most important aspects of a supercar (0-60, 1/4 mile and top speed).

But yeah, because a ZL1 1LE is faster than a GTR around Laguna Seca it's suddenly a supercar. Are you listening to yourself?

Originally Posted by motorhead

Yeah material quality, fit and finish and being the fastest mean everything when your in the shop because your reliability sucks. I'll take a cheap 650HP bulletproof chevy over any Ferrari with whatever rare mammal hide they decide to cover it in to try and make people believe they are actually worth what some rich guy is willing to pay just to say he has one.

Said by someone who obviously can't afford a Ferrari.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

A fast lap does not make a supercar, I'm not sure where you dreamed up that one. Hell, a Miata can out perform a Ferrari on an autocross track...so it too must surely be performing at a supercar level.

You seem to ignore some of the most important aspects of a supercar (0-60, 1/4 mile and top speed).

But yeah, because a ZL1 1LE is faster than a GTR around Laguna Seca it's suddenly a supercar. Are you listening to yourself?



Said by someone who obviously can't afford a Ferrari.

Humm. I don't recall sharing my net worth with you. You have no idea what you are talking about in more ways than one. How many vehicles do you own right now? What's your net worth, because you act like a 12 year old living in mom's basement with the post you make.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

A fast lap does not make a supercar, I'm not sure where you dreamed up that one. Hell, a Miata can out perform a Ferrari on an autocross track...so it too must surely be performing at a supercar level.

You seem to ignore some of the most important aspects of a supercar (0-60, 1/4 mile and top speed).

But yeah, because a ZL1 1LE is faster than a GTR around Laguna Seca it's suddenly a supercar. Are you listening to yourself?



Said by someone who obviously can't afford a Ferrari.

Car and Driver 10Best three consecutive years.

Chevrolet Camaro V-6 / SS / ZL1 Coupes
...Camaro will demolish your preconceptions, one corner at a time.

...About that chassis. It’s one of the best in the world, with the kind of preternaturally intuitive steering, faultless brakes, and overall balance you’d expect from a Porsche.

...The ZL1 is a supercar that just happens to look like a Camaro.

A reputation is a hard thing to live down. Perception often lags reality, and the reality is this: Camaros are among the most sophisticated driver’s cars in the world. And three consecutive years on the 10Best Cars list proves that this Chevy isn’t just great at attacking a corner, it has also turned one.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-coupes-page-4

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Humm. I don't recall sharing my net worth with you. You have no idea what you are talking about in more ways than one. How many vehicles do you own right now? What's your net worth, because you act like a 12 year old living in mom's basement with the post you make.

No offense, but those that can afford a 250k car don’t worry when their Ferrari goes into the shop. Their 10 other cars are perfectly suited to replace it.

You mythicaly choosing a Camaro over a Ferrari has no bearing on the subject.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Car and Driver 10Best three consecutive years.

Nice, so now one only needs to be in the 10 best to be a supercar. Crazy.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

As for the ZL1 performing on the "supercar" level....man are you delusional.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

A fast lap does not make a supercar, I'm not sure where you dreamed up that one.

You sure do like putting your foot in your mouth. I said it performs on the supercar level. If it hangs with or beats a Supercar even for just one lap, then it performed on a Supercar level. The ZL1 and ZL1 1LE can do that and more.

2017 Viper...Supercar...does the quarter mile in 11.3-11.7. Brand new GTR, another Supercar. Does the quarter mile in 11 flat. So by your ridiculous statements, does the fact that the cars in this video that beat the ZL1 1LE would also beat the Viper make the Viper NOT a Supercar? No. That would be a stupid argument. Also a fact that the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE can either match or beat the Viper which is a SUpercar. Following? The ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE both perform on the Supercar level whether you want to admit it or not. The thing is that you're soo angry and disgruntled that you can't even admit how good the ZL1s are.

Let me put it this way since you have a hard time admitting it. Name one car that is NOT a Supercar that stock for stock down to the tire can beat a standard ZL1 with A10 trans in the quarter mile. And then name one car that is NOT a Supercar that can beat the ZL1 1LE on a track. The only vehicles that can accomplish this are in fact Supercars some of which are not even faster. Guess what. That means the ZL1 has Supercar level performance.