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Old 11-30-2016, 12:07 PM   #1
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JANNETTY RACING FORCED INDUCTION Q&A

I started one of these over on Camaro5 and it has been very successful with over 10,000 veiws 135 replies so I thought it would be cool to start a Q&A session regarding Forced Induction since we are a major dealer for all supercharger, and turbo companies.

We have experience and can answer questions for the following companies.

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Whipple

We work with all of these companies and offer full kits and Tuner kits with supporting mods and Custom tuning to make it a Plug and Play Power solution.

Any technical questions post them here and I will be happy to answer.

Please NO Questions regarding Pricing that should be handled via Email at tedj@jannettyracing.com

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Old 12-01-2016, 08:15 AM   #2
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Ted,

From all the companies you mention, wich ones have systems for the 6 Gen Camaro and what are the expected power levels using 91 octane fuel?

Also, what systems would work better drivability wise with an A8 transmission?

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Old 12-01-2016, 08:27 AM   #3
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Ted,

From all the companies you mention, wich ones have systems for the 6 Gen Camaro and what are the expected power levels using 91 octane fuel?

Also, what systems would work better drivability wise with an A8 transmission?

Thanks.
I expect you will see kits from all of them sooner or later.

Those in red are currently available, the rest are in the works, when we don't know yet.

I do expect Whipple to be next though as PRI is next week and I am going.

6 psi of boost is 6 psi of boost they will all make similar Peak power, the Centris with a slight edge at Redline but give up low speed torque to the PD blowers.

The turbo systems will have lag but will produce more torque and Horsepower per lb of boost, by what percentage is yet to be determined, but I expect it to be somewhere between 2-8%


A&A Corvettes Superchargers
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EastCoast Supercharging
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Hellion Turbo systems
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Magnuson/Magnacharger
SLP superchargers
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Old 12-01-2016, 08:33 AM   #4
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I expect you will see kits from all of them sooner or later.

Those in red are currently available, the rest are in the works, when we don't know yet.

I do expect Whipple to be next though as PRI is next week and I am going.

6 psi of boost is 6 psi of boost they will all make similar Peak power, the Centris with a slight edge at Redline but give up low speed torque to the PD blowers.

The turbo systems will have lag but will produce more torque and Horsepower per lb of boost, by what percentage is yet to be determined, but I expect it to be somewhere between 2-8%


A&A Corvettes Superchargers
AGP turbo
EastCoast Supercharging
Edelbrock

Hellion Turbo systems
Kraftwerks superchargers
Magnuson/Magnacharger
SLP superchargers
Paxton
Procharger
Vortech

Whipple
So 91 or 93 octane is going to have the same output? I don't understand that.

You're saying that all of those systems are recommended for an A8?
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Old 12-01-2016, 08:37 AM   #5
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So 91 or 93 octane is going to have the same output? I don't understand that.

You're saying that all of those systems are recommended for an A8?
I did not say that sir.

Gains will be the same if you start on 91 and add the supercharger you will gain X power.

If you start on 93 and add a supercharger you will gain the same X power.

Your baseline numbers will reflect 91 or 93 octane.

Any of these systems can be used on an A8 or M6
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I did not say that sir.

Gains will be the same if you start on 91 and add the supercharger you will gain X power.

If you start on 93 and add a supercharger you will gain the same X power.

Your baseline numbers will reflect 91 or 93 octane.

Any of these systems can be used on an A8 or M6
So if you are already running 91 octane and you are provided a 93 octane tune what effect does that have?

I understand that any of these can be used on an A8 what is "Most" recommended? I would thing that one type/brand is better than another.
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So if you are already running 91 octane and you are provided a 93 octane tune what effect does that have?

I understand that any of these can be used on an A8 what is "Most" recommended? I would thing that one type/brand is better than another.
Typically you will see about 10 HP per Octane point.

It really comes down to personal preference on what type of power curve you will use most.

PD blowers are pretty much the number one recommendation and choice for most people who use their car primarily on the street and will carry over very well to the track.

If your primary focus is Track then you may consider any of the above.

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Typically you will see about 10 HP per Octane point.

It really comes down to personal preference on what type of power curve you will use most.

PD blowers are pretty much the number one recommendation and choice for most people who use their car primarily on the street and will carry over very well to the track.

If your primary focus is Track then you may consider any of the above.

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So the A8 doesn't have a leg up with any of the systems? I have read that the centris and A8 go well together because the A8 can keep it in the powerband. True or not?
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So the A8 doesn't have a leg up with any of the systems? I have read that the centris and A8 go well together because the A8 can keep it in the powerband. True or not?
True the 8 speed keeps the rpms up which will help the soggy feel of the centri or turbo
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Assuming an equal level of mods (intercooling, boost level, etc.) what is your experience with IATs with PD blowers? I did a centri on my last build, and loved it for the IATs and how I had it set up.

From my reading, of the newer systems, the Magnuson seems to have it handled best. What's your opinion? Looking at Magnuson, Edlebrock, or the LT4.

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Assuming an equal level of mods (intercooling, boost level, etc.) what is your experience with IATs with PD blowers? I did a centri on my last build, and loved it for the IATs and how I had it set up.

From my reading, of the newer systems, the Magnuson seems to have it handled best. What's your opinion? Looking at Magnuson, Edelbrock, or the LT4.

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Magnuson definitely has handle on IAT with this generation, I have one on my car on the dyno as I type this and I can tell you first hand some of the lowest IAT I have seen and quickest recovery I have seen from any PD blower in this generation.

Previous generation Whipple was the King so I expect they will do a great job when they release theirs for this model.

At 6-10 psi of boost no one really has an IAT problem that are intercooled, the differences start showing up above 10 psi.
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Magnuson definitely has handle on IAT with this generation, I have one on my car on the dyno as I type this and I can tell you first hand some of the lowest IAT I have seen and quickest recovery I have seen from any PD blower in this generation.
This makes me smile. Recovery is one of the key things for this drag racer.

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With a spot on tune, what kind of hp numbers are these motors capable of handling "safely" ? Wanting my SS to remain my daily driver for as long as possible, but with some boost!
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With a spot on tune, what kind of hp numbers are these motors capable of handling "safely" ? Wanting my SS to remain my daily driver for as long as possible, but with some boost!
All the tunes we do are spot on.

The engine can handle more power than the current fuel system can supply.

I am on the dyno with 16 SS A8, currently at 575 RWHP 581 RWTQ with only a Heartbeat, smaller pulley, Fuel pump voltage booster and a tune.

Still working on the tune a bit but very close to completion.

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