10-29-2023, 09:38 AM | #1093 |
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Yeah just a glorified golf cart.. also good parts cars for our Camaros
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10-29-2023, 09:40 AM | #1094 | |
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what amazing history
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10-29-2023, 09:43 AM | #1095 |
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Guess you always gotta look on the bright side.
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10-29-2023, 10:18 AM | #1096 |
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Those standards do not force EVs. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai-Kia can meet those standards by increasing the volume of hybrids they sell. Toyota has already made several of their product lines hybrid only (Prius, Venza, Sienna, and another one that I don’t recall off the top of my head). That was in anticipation of these regulations.
Other automakers could have chosen this path. But they didn’t. They chose EV.
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10-29-2023, 10:26 AM | #1097 |
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Never let the truth get in the way of a great meme…William Shakespeare
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10-29-2023, 11:18 AM | #1098 |
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Yep it is what it is!
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10-29-2023, 11:49 AM | #1099 |
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10-29-2023, 11:54 AM | #1100 | |
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Dont get so but hurt. The history is when ford and mopar were still sponsoring racing, Chevy refused. As a lifelong GM fan, its been especially frustrating to everyone who watched the history unfold that GM was always dead last when it came to supporting high performance. Its ALWAYS been that way too. It was almost always dealers and aftermarket groups that took Chevy's and made them the legendary cars we look back on today. The ZL1 and 1LE options as they exist today are nothing short of a miracle in Chevrolet history. |
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10-29-2023, 11:59 AM | #1101 |
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If you want a true muscle/pony car like the Camaro is today, you'll need to look toward the used market going forward. Stellantis isn't going to put a V8 in any car going forward either. Even gm is making the Corvette a hybrid and then soon to be electric. They are conditioning the the Corvette faithful with the ERay. (But of course all this is my opinion and best guess)
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10-29-2023, 12:31 PM | #1102 |
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i don't know what the next challenger is, nor do i care, but the current car at 198 inches and over 4,000 pounds is not a pony car.
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10-29-2023, 12:40 PM | #1103 |
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It makes financial sense for Dodge have an ICE engine or lose half their customer base give or take. Unlike Chevy or Ford their truck division went to their own brand under Ram a decade ago so they don't really have a choice as of right now. Time will tell if they can get away with the ICE not being a V8 but a Turbo V6 though.
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10-29-2023, 02:20 PM | #1104 | |
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I'm sure they also "chose" to have DEI officers and ESG administrators, and all the other so-called woke things that companies that try to be all things to all people. They really only end up being nothing to anyone. OEMs make some dumb decisions sometimes. Time always tells on them whether it was dumb or not. So I'm simply going to wait and see. Right now, it's not going as well as planned. Can they make those needed adjustments? Tune in next year, kids, and we'll find out.
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10-29-2023, 03:29 PM | #1105 | |
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The reality will be higher electric costs of the future and crappy capabilities of today. It's reassuring to see so many articles lately all talking about how demand for EVs is dropping, car manufacturers are reconsidering their EV commitments. Joint projects cancelled. Factory outputs scaled back. You can only ignore the market so long. The market says that the actual cost of EVs would be about $40k higher without government subsidies - not sustainable. The market says the current grid is nowhere near being able to support the number of EVs certain idiots want to see on the road - not sustainable. The market says people don't want to pay inflated prices for an inferior product - not sustainable. The market says people like 300-400 mile range no matter the weather or traffic. People like to be able to fuel up on almost any corner. People like to be able to go from empty to full in less than five minutes. EVs can't do any of those things and won't be able to for the foreseeable future, no matter what automotive 'expert' consultants babble about. Most of all, people in some countries still like to be able to choose what they want without being dictated to by bureaucrats, whether it be ICE vehicles instead of EVs, gas stoves instead of electric, gas furnaces instead of wood or coal, or ribeye steak instead of bugs. |
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10-29-2023, 03:40 PM | #1106 | |
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