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Old 12-07-2012, 05:36 AM   #253
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And who wants the same power train in the Malibu, ATS, Camaro and who knows what else, anyway? Shouldn't these different cars actually be different, so that we (the consumers) have choices to pick from?
Camaro currently has the same LFX powertrain as the ATS, CTS, SRX, Equinox, Caprice, Commodore, Terrain, LaCrosse, Impala...
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:15 AM   #254
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Camaro currently has the same LFX powertrain as the ATS, CTS, SRX, Equinox, Caprice, Commodore, Terrain, LaCrosse, Impala...
I was hoping someone would post that reply, but most that don't want a 4 cylinder in a Camaro also don't want the V6 in it either.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:11 AM   #255
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And who wants the same power train in the Malibu, ATS, Camaro and who knows what else, anyway? Shouldn't these different cars actually be different, so that we (the consumers) have choices to pick from?
Do you want to pay for that exclusivity of having a one-off engine in the Camaro? I don't and most people don't.

There's more differences between all those cars than just the engine.

I pick a car from what's available that gives me what I want.

I won't not pick a car because it gives me a choice I don't want. I will pick a car because it gives me a choice I do want however.

"Oh no, there's a Camaro with a W16 and 1500 hp! I'm not buying a Camaro at all even though the V8 that I want is available!"

I will get the regular V8 regardless of other engine choices available.

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Old 12-07-2012, 10:35 AM   #256
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Camaro currently has the same LFX powertrain as the ATS, CTS, SRX, Equinox, Caprice, Commodore, Terrain, LaCrosse, Impala...
You just ruined 5th Gen sales
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:32 PM   #257
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You just ruined 5th Gen sales
Why? By stating this in a camaro forum? Its a standard V6. They've been doing that for 75+ years. So have other automakers.


Remember, GM is in the business to sell cars.
Why does the camaro have a v6? Because it sells a lot. Imagine that GM meeting.


Person A: "Camaro's a muscle car. Get rid of that V6."
Person B: "But we make a lot of money from the sell of them. Double profit."
Person A: "But its a muscle car! V8 sells will go up."
Manager: "But not as high as th v6/v8 combo. Why did I hire you?"
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:36 PM   #258
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Why? By stating this in a camaro forum? Its a standard V6. They've been doing that for 75+ years. So have other automakers.


Remember, GM is in the business to sell cars.
Why does the camaro have a v6? Because it sells a lot. Imagine that GM meeting.


Person A: "Camaro's a muscle car. Get rid of that V6."
Person B: "But we make a lot of money from the sell of them. Double profit."
Person A: "But its a muscle car! V8 sells will go up."
Manager: "But not as high as th v6/v8 combo. Why did I hire you?"
it was sarcasm...
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:37 PM   #259
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:45 PM   #260
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Why? By stating this in a camaro forum? Its a standard V6. They've been doing that for 75+ years. So have other automakers.


Remember, GM is in the business to sell cars.
Why does the camaro have a v6? Because it sells a lot. Imagine that GM meeting.


Person A: "Camaro's a muscle car. Get rid of that V6."
Person B: "But we make a lot of money from the sell of them. Double profit."
Person A: "But its a muscle car! V8 sells will go up."
Manager: "But not as high as th v6/v8 combo. Why did I hire you?"
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:48 PM   #261
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Great holiday treat for your 5th gen, 0% interest and 15% off parts is.


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Old 12-07-2012, 02:29 PM   #262
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Camaro currently has the same LFX powertrain as the ATS, CTS, SRX, Equinox, Caprice, Commodore, Terrain, LaCrosse, Impala...
It must be ok to stick any engine in every car, then...
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:21 PM   #263
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Actually one of the issues in early 5th Gen Camaro production was the higher than expected V8 sales. The percentage of fully loaded Camaro SS sales were much higher than anticipated. This has evened out a bit as the model years have passed. But it gave GM a new understanding of the Camaro market. Especially after a lot of work and planning went in to making the V6 and base models better cars that they were in generations past in an effort to bring in more kinds of buyers.

The key to the success of this Camaro and a reason why it got produced was the ability for GM to make higher profits on the base models and all models as lower production numbers. GM doesn't need to sell 100k Camaros just to turn a profit like the 3rd or 4th Gen were planned.

So unlike in generations past the base models are profitable and thus the necessity of large production isn't necessary. This business model allows for GM to expand the lineup and include a turbo 4 cyl or 2 V6's to keep the entry level costs into Camaro more attractive to younger buyers. A smaller, lighter and more fuel efficient Camaro helps with buyers and CAFE.

Camaro can't survive on V8 sales to smaller demographics. This will even be less the case in 6th Gen.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:40 PM   #264
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It must be ok to stick any engine in every car, then...
Pretty much. If it performs well in the product GM wants to use it in then it makes production.

Some of you put the Camaro on way too high of a pedestal.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:49 PM   #265
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Pretty much. If it performs well in the product GM wants to use it in then it makes production.

Some of you put the Camaro on way too high of a pedestal.
And some of you think you can toss anything into a Camaro and it'll still sell. Must be the catchy name.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:04 PM   #266
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It must be ok to stick any engine in every car, then...
Wow....if that was possible, could you imagine a Spark with a 575hp V8 in it...
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