[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk

A different LTG, different than the current LTG ??
Prehaps a stronger LTG, for a world class muscle car.
I agree, that this is why, it won't be available at launch...

And guess what the weak link is, that would cause warranty nightmares,
because, RACECAR...

Maybe, just maybe, we will get our wish.... FORGED PISTONS...

No need to go thru the emissions recalibration testing, if your just changing, to forged pistons.
But, this would cause a delay at launch, if it was a late engineering change...

The LFX in the Impala wasn't exactly like the one in the 5th Gen. Different intake manifold and flex fuel compatible.

[2000Firehawk]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

The LFX in the Impala wasn't exactly like the one in the 5th Gen. Different intake manifold and flex fuel compatible.

Your talking apples/oranges here, FWD vs RWD.

With the LTG, you already have this engine, in a RWD, Alpha chassis, the ATS.
So, all of that common stuff, has already been done...

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk

Your talking apples/oranges here, FWD vs RWD.

With the LTG, you already have the LTG, in an Alpha chassis, the ATS.
So, all of that stuff, has already been done...

True, but my point is it may be a small difference.

[2000Firehawk]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

True, but my point is it may be a small difference.

Alpha is Alpha, be it the ATS or the Camaro

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk

Alpha is Alpha, be it the ATS or the Camaro

And big changes usually warrant new designations. For example, LF3 and LF4.

[2000Firehawk]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

And big changes usually warrant new designations. For example, LF3 and LF4.

With just a piston change, with the same CR, not a big enough change,
to make it a new engine designation.
It's still called LTG

And the fact that the guy, that works in the engine plant, stated that the engine is different, without changing the engine designation,
leads me to believe that it's geting forged pistons...
And the way he said it, he stated, that it's not EXACTLY the same.
And because the power rating is basically the same, as the ATS 2.0T, just an ECM performance tweet.

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

And big changes usually warrant new designations. For example, LF3 and LF4.

Good point

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk

With just a piston change, with the same CR, not a big enough change,
to make it a new engine designation.
It's still called LTG

Hope you are right. However, I can't help but wonder why they would go to the expense of forged pistons and not bump the power. I guess we'll know in a few months.

[2000Firehawk]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Hope you are right. However, I can't help but wonder why they would go to the expense of forged pistons and not bump the power. I guess we'll know in a few months.

Actually, because it is, the 'base' engine, they have the power level, right where,
they want it, at 275 hp.

No need to recertify, a very good engine, that you already have, in the parts bin.
Just make it stronger, for the performance crowd, & the marketing boost, it will give.

After looking at all the info, that GM has released, on this engine, I can't find any info, on the stock pistons, as used, in the Gen6
Maybe because it was a late engineering change.
Has anyone looked for more info on this engine, as used in the new Gen6 Camaro ??


The expense of forged pistons, is very small, compared to the volume of cars,
that they will sell, with this base engine.
So they might as well, make it very dependable, & it will be an excellent marketing point, so guys won't be afraid of modding it.

After all, this is being made, for the performance enthusiast, who might hesitate, to but, if they think, that they will blow a piston.

Plus, they will offer a very 'robust', Stage 1 tuning kit, that will up the power,
to levels, that will really need, the forged pistons.
Lots of money to be made, in GM, aftermarket performance parts.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by joemosfet

Oh, I like Saturns! My great grandma had one, sturdiest little car I've ever seen.

Ha! don't associate one of those damn things to a modern gm car. Please!

God, I had a gf with a sc2(I believe). That thing was the biggest POS I've ever seen. Bet even the cheapest Korean cars can't compare.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by 2000Firehawk

Actually, because it is, the 'base' engine, they have the power level, right where,
they want it, at 275 hp.

No need to recertify, a very good engine, that you already have, in the parts bin.
Just make it stronger, for the performance crowd, & the marketing boost, it will give.

After looking at all the info, that GM has released, on this engine, I can't find any info, on the stock pistons, as used, in the Gen6
Maybe because it was a late engineering change.
Has anyone looked for more info on this engine, as used in the new Gen6 Camaro ??


The expense of forged pistons, is very small, compared to the volume of cars,
that they will sell, with this base engine.
So they might as well, make it very dependable, & it will be an excellent marketing point, so guys won't be afraid of modding it.

After all, this is being made, for the performance enthusiast, who might hesitate, to but, if they think, that they will blow a piston.

Plus, they will offer a very 'robust', Stage 1 tuning kit, that will up the power,
to levels, that will really need, the forged pistons.
Lots of money to be made, in GM, aftermarket performance parts.

Holy cow...I found myself pausing A LOT reading through all those commas. lol. No worries...I'm not the grammar police.

But I see no reason to make any assumptions at all. Yes, there is something about the engine that is different from the LTG in the ATS, but it could be many things. Could be the intake, as Gretchen says, or could be the pistons as you say (which I'd be more surprised about frankly) or something else. There could also be a slight difference in the tune...I believe Al O did say the tune was changed to allow for a different power curve, but I could be wrong there.

My point is not to assume they are giving us more forged internals, encouraging us to push the car even harder.

Lets just wait and find out.

[LovePhenom]

It blows my mind that even after I informed this thread that I am an Engine Assembly Technician where this powertrain is exclusively built & that it is not the same as the ATS & CTS, you continue to argue. Major components of this engine are different & still being tested. Think of it like how Apple CarPlay will be available immediately & Android Auto has to wait until next year & yet they run on the same infotainment system.

Maybe my employer didn't change the designation because they are reintroducing a 4 cylinder to the Camaro & the LTG is an award winning engine so why not relate the two.

Without going into detail for obvious reasons, speculate what may be different but trust me, they're different.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by LovePhenom

It blows my mind that even after I informed this thread that I am an Engine Assembly Technician where this powertrain is exclusively built & that it is not the same as the ATS & CTS, you continue to argue. Major components of this engine are different & still being tested.

...

Without going into detail for obvious reasons, speculate what may be different but trust me, they're different.

I don't think anyone is arguing it isn't different...but rather just to what extent? We don't know, so of course we will speculate.

But we appreciate your input for sure. "Major components" is an interesting comment.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by LovePhenom

It blows my mind that even after I informed this thread that I am an Engine Assembly Technician where this powertrain is exclusively built & that it is not the same as the ATS & CTS, you continue to argue. Major components of this engine are different & still being tested. Think of it like how Apple CarPlay will be available immediately & Android Auto has to wait until next year & yet they run on the same infotainment system.

Maybe my employer didn't change the designation because they are reintroducing a 4 cylinder to the Camaro & the LTG is an award winning engine so why not relate the two.

Without going into detail for obvious reasons, speculate what may be different but trust me, they're different.

So, are you saying the 295 HP rating GM has provided so far is going to be different? Sorry, but if you can't provide specifics then I'm going to assume the only difference is the small HP bump over the ATS/CTS versions. That was the same for the LFX in the prior Gens, just 1 more HP this time.

Remember the Family II Ecotecs. LNF was followed by the LDK. I believe the only difference was calibrations for global markets, yet it got a new designation. Then came the LHU which only added flex fuel capabilities, again a new designation. Time and again we have seen this with GM. So, I'll remain sceptical until I see something official.