08-08-2019, 10:52 PM | #57 |
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That looks damn good! Camaro must have v8 available and 4 seats.
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08-09-2019, 06:05 AM | #58 |
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And a Corvette must have the engine in front of the driver, not . Time to take the Camaro into the future. Two things the Camaro can go without is the backseat and the V8. There is absolutely no doubt the time the next gen Camaros come out there will be V6 turbos that will out perform a Zl1 . Right now it’s mostly turbo4 and V6s sold so why cater a slower dying V8 . Now they could go with a Twin turbo 4.3 V8 or on those lines would work in a Zl1 type Camaro. Cars like the GT 500 and anything Dodge that cost over $60k are already dinosaurs filled with old technology, Chevy is so far ahead of them now.
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08-09-2019, 06:33 AM | #59 |
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As much as I love the Camaro, we could just accept that the general audience that the Camaro appealed to has depricated. Death is a necessary cycle in life to make room for new things... and I personally believe the Camaro's life span has truly lived its feasible course. Technology has just moved on too far beyond the V8 base and not a great deal of consumers care about 450+ HP cars on a practicality level .. we are moving on to an eco-trend where they want something quick, sporty but also efficient...and we are also moving on to a generation who plainly does not care about automobiles. The atmosphere is just not really sustainable to really support the Camaro... let it die peacefully give birth to something new and more in line with the current market demands.
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08-09-2019, 07:08 AM | #60 |
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We can debate the whole V8 thing to death. I don't feel they would ever kill off the V8 due to the stigma alone. Aside from that, if you all want a hatch back the side small windows would have to go. I don't see it being structurally sound enough to withstand crash tests with a tiny strip holding the back of the roof line up. I am all for a hatch back, loved it in my 3rd GEN. Additionally, I would love a glass roof, either removable or not.
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08-09-2019, 09:02 AM | #63 |
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Whatever a next gen Camaro, or a reborn pony car has for performance, the most important thing it has to have is looks; period. In order to survive, it has to have great visual appeal to reach the wider market base it used to have. The popularity of trucks and SUV's is a clue as to where the mindset of the current marketplace is at; they want easy ingress/egress and usable space. Small, cramped space that you have to contort yourself to get in and out of just doesn't appeal to that wider market base.
The original pony cars were essentially just sporty bodies on passenger car chassis for the most part. They were a huge success. That same formula can work to a degree, allowing for necessary changes for crash safety and such. A reborn pony car can be mostly parts bin under the skin; as long as it has decent performance (not award-winning track performance) anything beyond that won't matter to the vast majority of the marketplace. What WILL matter is how it looks; both outside and inside. I know that's not what the performance enthusiasts and hard-core Camaro fans want to hear, but it's easier to develop higher performance models if there's a bread-and-butter model that's selling well and bringing in the money to create the high performance versions. The new C8 shows what GM can do IF THEY HAVE A VISION for doing it, and a team that works together to make that happen. The exact same thing can happen for the Camaro on a less-sophisticated (and less costly) scale. If anybody who contributes to this thread can come up with a great looking car, the rest is much easier believe it or not. I think a couple of options would be good; a standard V6 and V8 model, and an electric model since that's where GM wants to go. Those are two different design and style challenges. Work on looks first; decide what a reborn pony car could look like as an ICE concept, and a separate one as an EV concept. Try to avoid trendy; that just says "I can't come up with anything original so I'll copy what others are doing". Let's see what ideas people have. Kudos to those who've already started contributing!
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There's still a little too much Ferrari in the design, but I can see this car's basic profile being translated into GM design language. GM was very much trying to copy Ferrari in the 80's with the Fiero and other cars, which is why I think this sorta works.
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08-09-2019, 03:33 PM | #67 | |
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LT- Base with Turbo 4 or electric hybrid thingy. Automatic only. 2LT - Same engine with all the bells and whistles. Automatic only. SS- Same exact philosophy as the 2020 LT1. Put the V8 in the base model. Only make adjustments necessary for safety to handle the increased power/weight. No more jacking up the price by putting in a bunch track/handling features people don't want. 2SS- Optioned out V8 trim 1LE- Take this awful idea, fold it into a paper football and flick that thing off the table for good. Z28- This is the track-ready version, priced and specced the same as the 1LE, possibly with more powerful V8 than the SS. No more $65k variants. |
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08-09-2019, 06:07 PM | #70 | |
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The only Z28 i would ever want to see would be an AWD Hybrid that would run with the Best of the C8s. We don't need poser packages and stickers on Camaros , there are plenty of them already on the roads . |
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