[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

I just posted the magazine links so not sure what you mean…? Same magazine tested both cars for the numbers I posted.

I’ll take the extra 110 HP and better blower with way less heat soak. The GT500 will give you the same performance, back to back, since the 2650 blower is superior to the 1740. If you love road course work I can see the attraction the ZL1, but most people don’t and will take the faster & more powerful car. I love the Alpha chassis…so much that I have way more money into it than I’ll admit but it definitely performs. But the GT500 is a heck of a car…simply a better platform for big power. Guess it depends how far down the rabbit hole you plan on going.

I know we’re arguing about a couple of tenths here and there in a dig race but I think that 3.2 second time mentioned in that article is a typo. If you look at the actual motor trend tests they are 3.7 seconds and 3.6 seconds.

I’ve played with a couple of GT500s on the street (with no traffic) at speeds below 65 mph and we’ve been neck and neck. We’re both traction limited at lower speeds anyway.

I’m not saying the ZL1 has a better engine or blower or anything, just that the ZL1 is a better overall platform from the factory because with 110 less horsepower it keeps up with the much more powerful GT500 on a track (and for a few seconds, in the straights), due to a better engineered chassis, 250 less pounds, better weight distribution, and better overall engineering of the suspension.

But yes, the predator engine has a ton of potential with the better/bigger blower and much better intercooling.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I know we’re arguing about a couple of tenths here and there in a dig race but I think that 3.2 second time mentioned in that article is a typo. If you look at the actual motor trend tests they are 3.7 seconds and 3.6 seconds.

I’ve played with a couple of GT500s on the street (with no traffic) at speeds below 65 mph and we’ve been neck and neck. We’re both traction limited at lower speeds anyway.

I’m not saying the ZL1 has a better engine or blower or anything, just that the ZL1 is a better overall platform from the factory because with 110 less horsepower it keeps up with the much more powerful GT500 on a track (and for a few seconds, in the straights), due to a better engineered chassis, 250 less pounds, better weight distribution, and better overall engineering of the suspension.

But yes, the predator engine has a ton of potential with the better/bigger blower and much better intercooling.

Let me tell you a thing or two about bring traction limited on the street my friend…

All good points. Like I said, really depends what you’re looking to do with the car. But I still feel the LT5 in the ZL1 would have been the perfect comeback to the GT500. Equal power and the better chassis…now we’re rocking.

[arpad_m]

Heh, even my lowly 735 rwhp kicks out from a dig or slow rolls like there's no tomorrow, can't imagine what 1059 rwhp does, Nitto tires or not...

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Heh, even my lowly 735 rwhp kicks out from a dig or slow rolls like there's no tomorrow, can't imagine what 1059 rwhp does, Nitto tires or not...

I dial down the boost controller for street use and save the shenanigans for the track.

[crysalis_01]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ls-220671.html



Pull 1: 440.78 rwhp / 389.32 lb-ft (528 Nm)
Pull 2: 440.99 rwhp / 388.26 lb-ft (526)
Pull 3: 444.47 rwhp / 384.67 lb-ft (522 Nm)

Drivetrain losses of 11.1 and 6.8 percent.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ls-220671.html



Pull 1: 440.78 rwhp / 389.32 lb-ft (528 Nm)
Pull 2: 440.99 rwhp / 388.26 lb-ft (526)
Pull 3: 444.47 rwhp / 384.67 lb-ft (522 Nm)

Drivetrain losses of 11.1 and 6.8 percent.

I wonder what a s550 with the same gearing and fuel puts on that dyno back to back. If we are showing high stock dyno numbers, here is one for you! Stock camaro ss 1le 440 whp and 450 lbft. Dynos are good tools to see the delta of modifications.This car was running on 93 octane. Ultra happy dyno session for everyone


https://youtu.be/lW_eS2NOTvs

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by ALMN

I wonder what a s550 with the same gearing and fuel puts on that dyno back to back. If we are showing high stock dyno numbers, here is one for you! Stock camaro ss 1le 440 whp and 450 lbft. Dynos are good tools to see the delta of modifications.This car was running on 93 octane. Ultra happy dyno session for everyone


https://youtu.be/lW_eS2NOTvs

It’s not that high. 440whp is exactly what it should dyno with 1 run 4 hp higher than the other 2. Dark horse has 500 crank hp. Modern rwd manual cars lose roughly 12% to drivetrain loses. 500*.88 = 440

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

It’s not that high. 440whp is exactly what it should dyno with 1 run 4 hp higher than the other 2. Dark horse has 500 crank hp. Modern rwd manual cars lose roughly 12% to drivetrain loses. 500*.88 = 440

That is the highest i have seen so far. I understand that the car should put down that much whp but it seems most of the dynos are showing lower numbers. Here is a dyno comparison American Muscle did from Gen 1 through Gen 4.

https://youtu.be/IzfepAm0aHQ

[Curr]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

$73k is more than I paid for my ZL1

This!

In a vacuum, I love the Mach 1 / Dark Horse cars.


But not at, or just shy of, ZL1 prices, no way.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Curr

This!

In a vacuum, I love the Mach 1 / Dark Horse cars.


But not at, or just shy of, ZL1 prices, no way.

With the ZL1 being discontinued, that choice will no longer be an option. If you want a new muscle car in 2025, 2026, 2027… at least Ford is providing an option. With stock longblock Gen3 Coyotes in the 8’s, be interesting to see what the Gen4 can do. I’ll take that option over the middle finger that GM is giving us.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by ALMN

That is the highest i have seen so far. I understand that the car should put down that much whp but it seems most of the dynos are showing lower numbers. Here is a dyno comparison American Muscle did from Gen 1 through Gen 4.

https://youtu.be/IzfepAm0aHQ

This is a link to a GT, not a dark horse. Your prior post was regarding a dark horse.

I watched this link earlier and I’m taking their dyno numbers with a grain of salt since there was clearly something up with the dyno as the torque numbers were really weird.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

This is a link to a GT, not a dark horse. Your prior post was regarding a dark horse.

I watched this link earlier and I’m taking their dyno numbers with a grain of salt since there was clearly something up with the dyno as the torque numbers were really weird.

I understand, however most s650s are showing lower dyno numbers than the expectations. Something doesn’t seem right. Even in the mustang7g forum, people are complaining about the cars being slow. Here is a manual dark horse, from trusted Palm Beach Dyno. Lots of disappointed seventh gen mustang owners out there. Especially the ones moving from s550 and who paid more than $70k! It seems you really need to order 3:55 auto a10 to get the speed feel out these mustangs. I am glad we don’t have to deal with this in our camaros.
https://youtu.be/8Pz52FumSfk

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by ALMN

I understand, however most s650s are showing lower dyno numbers than the expectations. Something doesn’t seem right. Even in the mustang7g forum, people are complaining about the cars being slow. Here is a manual dark horse, from trusted Palm Beach Dyno. Lots of disappointed seventh gen mustang owners out there. Especially the ones moving from s550 and who paid more than $70k! It seems you really need to order 3:55 auto a10 to get the speed feel out these mustangs. I am glad we don’t have to deal with this in our camaros.
https://youtu.be/8Pz52FumSfk

I test dove a GT S550 A10 and felt slow. We thought it was because it was 0 miles but then we saw the window sticker and had 3.15 rear end I believe.

They force you to buy the Performance package with 3.55 or else you'll be slow, even if the power is there.
Having the 10 speed, I don't think it adds gas mileage to have longer gears. It's just there to upsell the Performance package.

Adding to the discussion, I think the negativity for the 24' mustang comes from the Price itself. Nobody would be complaining so much if the GT started at 36k-38k like it used to be.

[crysalis_01]

2015 Mustang GT Premium MSRP - $38,415

Accounting for inflation that's $50,466 in Aug '23 dollars.

So. . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯