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shockandawe · 03-22-2012, 01:33 PM

Just picked up a 2012 LaCrosse for the wife and it was held in QC for 1 month. The car is white diamond tri-coat. Dealer hand washed the car per my instructions, we took it home and examined the car more closely. There were all kinds of poluntant particles and what appear to be some kind of clear sediment that would not come off with hand washing. the exterior of the car needs a complete detailing. The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't do these cars any good baking in these QC lots. Be it a Buick or ZL1, they all are rained upon by these pollutants and who knows what else. End of rant.

SlingShot · 03-22-2012, 01:38 PM

They are massed produced cars, not Bentley's ... Mine sit out 24/7 and look just fine. Are they perfect, heck no but they are Chevy's ... A little washing, claying and waxing goes a long way ...

2012ZL1 · 03-22-2012, 01:43 PM

I guess cars sit out at several points during their transport and are subjected to smog and weather etc. Pretty hard to change that unless you are Hendrick.

Nmbr1gmfan · 03-22-2012, 01:45 PM

Rail dust?

99firehawk · 03-22-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

Just picked up a 2012 LaCrosse for the wife and it was held in QC for 1 month. The car is white diamond tri-coat. Dealer hand washed the car per my instructions, we took it home and examined the car more closely. There were all kinds of poluntant particles and what appear to be some kind of clear sediment that would not come off with hand washing. the exterior of the car needs a complete detailing. The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't do these cars any good baking in these QC lots. Be it a Buick or ZL1, they all are rained upon by these pollutants and who knows what else. End of rant.

Did the dealer remove the Transit Coating? PDI prep does this (and more) so you may have not had a proper pre-delivery. Just guessing of course.

Have you gone back to the dealer to show them and discuss?

ffrcobra_65 · 03-22-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

Just picked up a 2012 LaCrosse for the wife and it was held in QC for 1 month. The car is white diamond tri-coat. Dealer hand washed the car per my instructions, we took it home and examined the car more closely. There were all kinds of poluntant particles and what appear to be some kind of clear sediment that would not come off with hand washing. the exterior of the car needs a complete detailing. The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't do these cars any good baking in these QC lots. Be it a Buick or ZL1, they all are rained upon by these pollutants and who knows what else. End of rant.

your car was probably on a train and what you are dealing with is "rail rust" all over your car. It is rather common adn worse especially for cars who are shipped by rail to long distances. My SS was covered in rail rust according to my dealer when it arrived. You will need to use clay bar to remove the ones that don't come off with a good wash job and feel imbedded into the paint. It is a pretty easy job.

*radz28* · 03-22-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

your car was probably on a train and what you are dealing with is "rail rust" all over your car. It is rather common adn worse especially for cars who are shipped by rail to long distances. My SS was covered in rail rust according to my dealer when it arrived. You will need to use clay bar to remove the ones that seem imbedded into the paint.

That's the first thing I'll be doing along with a complete wax

Or - I'll just get it from back East myself

PQ · 03-22-2012, 02:22 PM

I wish there were an option that you could pay extra for that provided a better paint and much thicker clear. Would be MUCH more cost effective while still in the plant. I'd have paid a couple grand for it.

shockandawe · 03-22-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 99firehawk

Did the dealer remove the Transit Coating? PDI prep does this (and more) so you may have not had a proper pre-delivery. Just guessing of course.

Have you gone back to the dealer to show them and discuss?

I don't have much faith in the dealer, especially the way it was deliverd. Chances are they would buff the piss out of it and leave swirl marks all over it. I'll detail the car myself.

Kvapil28 · 03-22-2012, 02:59 PM

Transit Coating what are you talking about look at new Chevrolet's sitting on trucks they have like 4 little squares of plastic on them and a few foam pads on the doors for shipping. They don't come in fully protected..

DangerZL1 · 03-22-2012, 03:46 PM

Cosmoline was used on some cars years ago until they started applying the white film in select areas. Since it was applied to the entire exterior of the car it would have been much better protection for a car that sat for a long period before being PDI'd. Its literally going to be a cr#p shoot on the condition of the ZL1s. Hopefully, they aren't near an area with a lot of birds.

collins motorsport · 03-22-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

They are massed produced cars, not Bentley's ... Mine sit out 24/7 and look just fine. Are they perfect, heck no but they are Chevy's ... A little washing, claying and waxing goes a long way ...

Im sure that somewhere there's a former owner of an original 69 ZL1 that thought that way too. My 67 had only been wet 3 times since we finished it and I do my best to give it "dry baths" reguarly to avoid having to wet it anymore than I have too. My point is, just because it didn't cost a quarter mill doesn't mean it doesn't deserve just as much love as a car that did. Just my opinion

djsnoflake · 03-22-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

Just picked up a 2012 LaCrosse for the wife and it was held in QC for 1 month. The car is white diamond tri-coat. Dealer hand washed the car per my instructions, we took it home and examined the car more closely. There were all kinds of poluntant particles and what appear to be some kind of clear sediment that would not come off with hand washing. the exterior of the car needs a complete detailing. The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't do these cars any good baking in these QC lots. Be it a Buick or ZL1, they all are rained upon by these pollutants and who knows what else. End of rant.

For the ZL-1. at least, let me assure you, it does 0 'baking' in February/March/early April in Canada.

ZL1 STEVE · 03-22-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerouSS

Cosmoline was used on some cars years ago until they started applying the white film in select areas. Since it was applied to the entire exterior of the car it would have been much better protection for a car that sat for a long period before being PDI'd. Its literally going to be a cr#p shoot on the condition of the ZL1s. Hopefully, they aren't near an area with a lot of birds.

Brings back memories -- many moons ago, I was a Porter at a Toyota dealership. With cosmoline comes decosmoline -- a nasty petroleum based substance to remove that film. I hated that decosmoline duty, but that film sure did protect the cars on their long-haul over the big pond from Japan.

03-22-2012, 01:33 PM	#1
shockandawe Drives: 2014 Z51 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,349	Comment On Quality Control Just picked up a 2012 LaCrosse for the wife and it was held in QC for 1 month. The car is white diamond tri-coat. Dealer hand washed the car per my instructions, we took it home and examined the car more closely. There were all kinds of poluntant particles and what appear to be some kind of clear sediment that would not come off with hand washing. the exterior of the car needs a complete detailing. The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't do these cars any good baking in these QC lots. Be it a Buick or ZL1, they all are rained upon by these pollutants and who knows what else. End of rant.

03-22-2012, 01:38 PM	#2
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	They are massed produced cars, not Bentley's ... Mine sit out 24/7 and look just fine. Are they perfect, heck no but they are Chevy's ... A little washing, claying and waxing goes a long way ... __________________

03-22-2012, 01:43 PM	#3
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	I guess cars sit out at several points during their transport and are subjected to smog and weather etc. Pretty hard to change that unless you are Hendrick. __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.

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03-22-2012, 02:22 PM	#8
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	I wish there were an option that you could pay extra for that provided a better paint and much thicker clear. Would be MUCH more cost effective while still in the plant. I'd have paid a couple grand for it. __________________

03-22-2012, 02:59 PM	#10
Kvapil28 Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Tahoe LTZ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 453	Transit Coating what are you talking about look at new Chevrolet's sitting on trucks they have like 4 little squares of plastic on them and a few foam pads on the doors for shipping. They don't come in fully protected..

03-22-2012, 03:46 PM	#11
DangerZL1 Drives: 2023 Black ZL1 Auto Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: FEMA Region 4 Posts: 2,935	Cosmoline was used on some cars years ago until they started applying the white film in select areas. Since it was applied to the entire exterior of the car it would have been much better protection for a car that sat for a long period before being PDI'd. Its literally going to be a cr#p shoot on the condition of the ZL1s. Hopefully, they aren't near an area with a lot of birds.

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