[MBS]

Are you 6th gen owners having problems with paint swirls ?
The 5th gens have that problem , and I finally seen a black 6th gen on the showroom floor , I was admiring how beautiful it looked and then started to look closer at the paint and much to my horror seen paint swirls everywhere . 13 miles on the car. I was hoping that GM had addressed this problem but from the only car I seen it looked like they had not .

[Jeb114]

I love the answer I would force them to buy it back, Good luck with that.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by MBS

Are you 6th gen owners having problems with paint swirls ?
The 5th gens have that problem , and I finally seen a black 6th gen on the showroom floor , I was admiring how beautiful it looked and then started to look closer at the paint and much to my horror seen paint swirls everywhere . 13 miles on the car. I was hoping that GM had addressed this problem but from the only car I seen it looked like they had not .

I had a 13 I didn't think the swirls were too bad, and the 16 I have is good. I've done a two-stage polish and then sealed it myself with a polymer so I really don't get swirls. So far so good.....

[Tara Martin]

I made the mistake of accepting my 1979 Z28 with horrid paint. Very bad experience with the dealer. Basically, the paint was very thin on the front fenders and hood. They resprayed the entire front end including the urethane fascia. They didn't mask off the doors and oversprayed poor quality paint down the doors. They didn't use flex agent, so the urethane nose cracked like crazy. The paint was so bad, it just wouldn't shine and it was badly orange-peeled. I took it back numerous times, but they wouldn't make it right. What did I know, I was only 20 and an E-4 in the Army at the time... Chevrolet didn't seem to care, either.

Sad thing is, I fell in love with the car and still have it! After I get my finances caught up, I'm going to get the body done up like it was supposed to be.

All that said; no, I'd not accept a resprayed vehicle now-a-days.

[davet435]

Originally Posted by 90503

From what I can tell, a couple of guys in this thread got replacement cars....

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438002

I'd talk to them. You'll be worried about the paint forever, re-done or not. For peace of mind do what it takes to get another car.

We've been in contact.

[Richie Carbone]

Originally Posted by MBS

Are you 6th gen owners having problems with paint swirls ?
The 5th gens have that problem , and I finally seen a black 6th gen on the showroom floor , I was admiring how beautiful it looked and then started to look closer at the paint and much to my horror seen paint swirls everywhere . 13 miles on the car. I was hoping that GM had addressed this problem but from the only car I seen it looked like they had not .

The swirls have nothing to do with GM.

Have you ever seen the detail operation at these dealers? They are stuck in a time warp and have teenage brainless wonders detailing and destroying the finish before you even take delivery.

I've corrected paint that has been hacked up by lot jockeys for high end exotic car dealers ($250k-$500k cars) These people don't get paid much, maybe $5-$7/hr. They are not highly skilled or trained.

[wjones14]

I voted no with my main reason being that no human can replicate the uniformity of a factory paint finish. I have seen several videos and documentaries and learned that it is just not possible for a human to apply paint within the tolerances of a robot. The thickness of the factory paint is measured in microns and will be uniform over the entire car, with little or no variation.

That said, something went haywire during the process for your car. I really feel your pain, as I am terribly OCD when it comes to the paint on cars. If it were me, I would accept nothing short of a replacement, and would continue to escalate the issue as far up the GM chain of command as possible. If it came to it, and they steadfastly refused to make it right, then I would trade the car for another and take the hit.

I hope and pray that they will give you the replacement, as it is the right thing to do. On the other hand, I think you should not have driven the car. At this point you cannot undo that, but I would stop driving it now. The analogy is that you ordered a steak in a restaurant, ate it, and then complained that it was too well done and tried to get out of paying for it. Or you complained first, but then ate it anyway. What you really needed to do was not accept it. That's just a lecture and does you no good now, but to minimize your potential loss, I would stop driving it until the issue is resolved.

[Netslave]

Originally Posted by Richie Carbone

The swirls have nothing to do with GM.

Have you ever seen the detail operation at these dealers? They are stuck in a time warp and have teenage brainless wonders detailing and destroying the finish before you even take delivery.

I've corrected paint that has been hacked up by lot jockeys for high end exotic car dealers ($250k-$500k cars) These people don't get paid much, maybe $5-$7/hr. They are not highly skilled or trained.

We are aware of this. We asked them to not touch the car the day we picked it up but when it showed up from being fueled it was covered in dime to quarter sized bright white water spots all over it. Judging from the hard axx cotton cloth we found left in the trunk the next day when we were taking pictures of all the paint defects it's a pretty safe bet that's what they were using to wipe the car down. My wife noted they should have just used a scotch brite pad. The swirls are the least of the issues.

[BigRedViking]

Unfortunately GM is not known for their award winning paint jobs, their enthusiasts are though. They are known for their great engineering. Shi÷ happens, then grass grows around it, and makes it pretty; ) They should be able to correct the (numerous) issues. If not then pursue a vehicle without issues. If the shoe was on the other foot I would want a chance to redeem myself, and I believe you would too. But sometimes you should get a fresh start. By correcting issues, I mean meets or exceeds OEM specifications. There's no such thing as perfection, there is only beautiful, and not so beautiful. Good luck!

[MBS]

Originally Posted by Glen e

I had a 13 I didn't think the swirls were too bad, and the 16 I have is good. I've done a two-stage polish and then sealed it myself with a polymer so I really don't get swirls. So far so good.....

Good to hear hope it stays that way .

Originally Posted by Richie Carbone

The swirls have nothing to do with GM.

Have you ever seen the detail operation at these dealers? They are stuck in a time warp and have teenage brainless wonders detailing and destroying the finish before you even take delivery.
Yes and anytime I take my car to the dealer I tell them to not wash my car and give me a token for a touchless wash instead , I bet they use the same wash rag that they just used to scub down a 4x4 with mud everywhere ,
I've corrected paint that has been hacked up by lot jockeys for high end exotic car dealers ($250k-$500k cars) These people don't get paid much, maybe $5-$7/hr. They are not highly skilled or trained.

It is sad that this is acceptable by dealerships.

Originally Posted by Netslave

We are aware of this. We asked them to not touch the car the day we picked it up but when it showed up from being fueled it was covered in dime to quarter sized bright white water spots all over it. Judging from the hard axx cotton cloth we found left in the trunk the next day when we were taking pictures of all the paint defects it's a pretty safe bet that's what they were using to wipe the car down. My wife noted they should have just used a scotch brite pad. The swirls are the least of the issues.

Oh man sorry to hear , Hope they get it fixed for you.

Originally Posted by BigRedViking

Unfortunately GM is not known for their award winning paint jobs, their enthusiasts are though. They are known for their great engineering. Shi÷ happens, then grass grows around it, and makes it pretty; ) They should be able to correct the (numerous) issues. If not then pursue a vehicle without issues. If the shoe was on the other foot I would want a chance to redeem myself, and I believe you would too. But sometimes you should get a fresh start. By correcting issues, I mean meets or exceeds OEM specifications. There's no such thing as perfection, there is only beautiful, and not so beautiful. Good luck!

Ha Award winning paint jobs

[doc212121]

Absolutely, I would actually prefer it as you will have the ability to get a much finer finish! (I have had to go through this once before) this is of course assuming you have a painter you trust and understands your expectations as mine did.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by wjones14

that no human can replicate the uniformity of a factory paint finish. I have seen several videos and documentaries and learned that it is just not possible for a human to apply paint within the tolerances of a robot. The thickness of the factory paint is measured in microns and will be uniform over the entire car, with little or no variation.

This is totally false. Factory paint is FAR from good quality, except for some high end cars. A good painter can BLOW away most factory paint jobs, including uniformity. Robots due what they are programed to do, that doesn't always work on each car, case in point here. Saying that robot applied factory paint is superior to a pro at a top notch shop is quite comical actually.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

This is totally false. Factory paint is FAR from good quality, except for some high end cars. A good painter can BLOW away most factory paint jobs, including uniformity. Robots due what they are programed to do, that doesn't always work on each car, case in point here. Saying that robot applied factory paint is superior to a pro at a top notch shop is quite comical actually.

Thank god somebody else said it, many paint shops are MUCH better than anything at the factory.

[doc212121]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

This is totally false. Factory paint is FAR from good quality, except for some high end cars. A good painter can BLOW away most factory paint jobs, including uniformity. Robots due what they are programed to do, that doesn't always work on each car, case in point here. Saying that robot applied factory paint is superior to a pro at a top notch shop is quite comical actually.

Yes thank you for some shred of sensibility.......robotic paint superiority is a hell of a laugh, all the top show cars in the country are painted by robots right!?