[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What does it matter to you how I think they will perform? And why would I need to drive one? What would be the point of driving a cheaper and slower car that I don't like and have no intention to buy?

Well, remember. Just tune and tire on a '18 GT and you lose in your Zl1.

Btw, my trolling somewhat worked. Got someone on the forums to meet up with me last night. GT350. FB0. E85. Said he could run me. He never showed. So, maybe I got trolled. Either way, I got some good hwy pulls in last night.

But the fact that now the GT350 crowds are chiming in saying that just tune and fuel and the Zl1 is a gonner is laughable.

Of course, they all think I'm stock. hahahahahahaha. Wait till I show up with 750 at the wheels. I get my meth injection done hopefully next week. Weather is looking nasty tho so, we'll see. They really gonna get rolled up like a joint.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

For sure

Lots of the fastest NA cars run it. Too expensive and inconvenient for me. It’s no race car.

It just annoys me when people leave it out/lie or downplay it

In the end there is large enough body of data from guys that aren't hiding things to sort it out. Chevy claims the SS A8 is a 12.3 car. The average here (below) shows its actually 12.1

1-15 = 12.061
1-20 = 12.098
1-25 = 12.130
1-30 = 12.165

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Im wondering because you said ford doesnt tune their oem trans that agressive and im asking how do you know thats the case for the 18? Have you driven one blaqwhole?

Well there has been a few videos of the 18 at the track, and that was the only one that chirped tires. And the tracked looked well prepped.

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by hotlap

In the end there is large enough body of data from guys that aren't hiding things to sort it out. Chevy claims the SS A8 is a 12.3 car. The average here (below) shows its actually 12.1

1-15 = 12.061
1-20 = 12.098
1-25 = 12.130
1-30 = 12.165

Nice to see that someone else actually goes by AVERAGE passes and not hero run after hero run. I usually leave out the best hero pass just cause you never know lol. Imo GM doesn't spend enough time testing straight line performance or at least they don't release much info anyway. Always willing to leave a few tenths to the owners.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Im wondering because you said ford doesnt tune their oem trans that agressive and im asking how do you know thats the case for the 18? Have you driven one blaqwhole?

How do you know that they do? Have you driven one? Have you driven or owned any Mustang? I have.

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Well, remember. Just tune and tire on a '18 GT and you lose in your Zl1.

Btw, my trolling somewhat worked. Got someone on the forums to meet up with me last night. GT350. FB0. E85. Said he could run me. He never showed. So, maybe I got trolled. Either way, I got some good hwy pulls in last night.

But the fact that now the GT350 crowds are chiming in saying that just tune and fuel and the Zl1 is a gonner is laughable.

Of course, they all think I'm stock. hahahahahahaha. Wait till I show up with 750 at the wheels. I get my meth injection done hopefully next week. Weather is looking nasty tho so, we'll see. They really gonna get rolled up like a joint.

LOL, yea I better watch out for a GT with a tune and tire on it. BTW, be careful that they're not trying to set you up and have the cops out there...or trying to record your activity and report it. They aren't even worth racing.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How do you know that they do? Have you driven one? Have you driven or owned any Mustang? I have.

LOL, yea I better watch out for a GT with a tune and tire on it. BTW, be careful that they're not trying to set you up and have the cops out there...or trying to record your activity and report it. They aren't even worth racing.

Eh, least of my concerns. The Cops. Been there, done that already. An over night in county is nothing.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How do you know that they do? Have you driven one? Have you driven or owned any Mustang? I have.

LOL, yea I better watch out for a GT with a tune and tire on it. BTW, be careful that they're not trying to set you up and have the cops out there...or trying to record your activity and report it. They aren't even worth racing.

Im talking 18 gt? Have you driven one? No. You havent and it doesnt matter if i have, im not the one claiming to know everything about everything.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Im talking 18 gt? Have you driven one? No. You havent and it doesnt matter if i have, im not the one claiming to know everything about everything.

So you're just here to troll and argue then.

Again, have you ever driven or owned a Mustang?

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So you're just here to troll and argue then.

Again, have you ever driven or owned a Mustang?

Yeah have driven my buddys 16 gt and have owned 5 lol

[Ebony Orifice]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So you're just here to troll and argue then.

Again, have you ever driven or owned a Mustang?

You have proven yourself to be one of the most pathetic and overzealous bench racers on the Internet. You give stained sphincters a bad name. Even if as you say the cars are neck and neck, ford is doing it with less cubic inches and more weight. A wiser man would just sit back and wait for things to fall in place Instead of making a fool of himself disputing every single little bit of information coming out right now with no positive proof to backup your wishful claims. Keep running your mouth because right now you are the laughing stock of car enthusiasts forums all over the Internet.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Here I am sucked back in again by quality trolls lol


Less cubic inches

Smdh... yet another mustang guy who doesn’t understand how engines pump air

Put a 2 valve head on that coyote see what happens

If I was a dumb troll I could go on a mustang forum and say the lt1 has physically smaller dimensions and only 2 valves per cylinder, 1 cam in the block and only needs 6500 rpm. so it is superior. EXACTLY the same as harping on cubes. Both important factors in making hp. If the coyote was a 2 valve pushrod motor at 460 hp you’d have bragging rights. The last versuon if that was 220 hp. The 4.6 was weak as **** with both 2v and 3v design. They got it right with 4 and dohc

Ford isn’t ahead of anything other than sales. You guys so excited the mustang caught up to GMs 4 year old engine and tranny combo. They are chasing GM. The 6gen destroyed the previous 15-17 S550 and the best furd can do with a new engine and tranny is even the score? But then again furd owners easily satisfied and will buy them up regardless like lemmings. The 4.6 couldn’t get out of its own way you guys loved them.

You even bringing up cubes comparing two engines of completely different design proves you got no more intelligence with car knowledge as you digging him for. Anyone who agrees with you is also a fool. Ignorance. Look in the mirror troll boy

As far as the weight lol again. They geared the car to death. The coyote has a lot of help behind it with the GM help designed a10 and it’s gearing as well as rear axle ratio.

[HeaterMan]

4 valves doesn't mean anything if the air flow isn't there. 100% volumetric efficiency is the target with some high rpm Engines achieving slightly better due to a ram air effect. most engines are lucky to see 85% VE. i have no clue what the volumetric efficiency is for the 2018 Mustang or Camaro. all things being equal 377 cubic inches will make more torque and hp than 307 cubic inches. the bigger engine will always make more low end torque which is probably why GM chose a taller rear gear ratio for the Camaro. a prime example of this would be the 70 LS6 Chevelle getting a standard gear ratio of 3.31 where the DZ302 equipped Z28 got a 411. the Z28 didn't make any torque below 3000 rpm. Fords lower gear ratios in the Mustang make perfect sense and i highly doubt you'll call those ratios insane when the Camaro gets them next year.

Stock Coyote airflow
Known stock Coyote intake port head flow numbers are 289.4-cfm intake and 201.4-cfm exhaust at .500 inch,

Lt1 airflow
Lift---Intake (cfm)---Exhaust (cfm)
0.100
0.200 151 111
0.300 208 152
0.400 256 174
0.500 294 183
0.600 316 189

so it appears the Mustang might see better port velocity and of course higher rpm capability due to overhead cams where the Camaro has more airflow and bigger CI.

[HeaterMan]

Frankly i think it's awesome that we have 3 different Manufacturers offering 11 second off the showroom floor cars all with a base price within $500-$1000 of each other.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Yeah have driven my buddys 16 gt and have owned 5 lol

Wow. Well my owning a S550 GT and DDing it kinda trumps your driving your friend's. And I doubt you've owned 5 judging by the cars you have listed. But we all already know you're a troll anyway.

Originally Posted by Ebony Orifice

You have proven yourself to be one of the most pathetic and overzealous bench racers on the Internet. You give stained sphincters a bad name. Even if as you say the cars are neck and neck, ford is doing it with less cubic inches and more weight. A wiser man would just sit back and wait for things to fall in place Instead of making a fool of himself disputing every single little bit of information coming out right now with no positive proof to backup your wishful claims. Keep running your mouth because right now you are the laughing stock of car enthusiasts forums all over the Internet.

Wow. Another troll from M6G. For as pathetic as I am you guys sure do love starting up accounts and coming over just to argue. LOL!! I can troll your entire forum while not even being a member there. What's that tell you about you guys? HAHA!

And "Stained Sphincters"...that's a new one. Well it doesn't work because I don't have a SS so...