[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by bowtienick

to calculate fuel demand for n/a engines, you use .5 as your multiplier.
For boosted engines you use .6 ie they take more fuel per given hp. That said they do idle/ part throttle more efficiently due to less idle vacuum. And no I would rather have a hamster in a wheel than a 4 cyl. engine turbo or otherwise.

Which is what AFM does, but for way less money, and without losing cylinders.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Fixed!

lol. Sorry man I had to.

Well played.

For the record, given a choice between a V8, I'd prefer a V8 without AFM to one with. However, recognizing that cannot happen with CAFE and EPA ratings having to go up, I prefer an AFM V8 to a TTV6, given those are the only two choices.

[RatRacer]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

But again, the issue wasn't fuel economy, it was a lack of interest in improving the offerings that provided good fuel economy that was the problem. Those are two different things. And even if they were, I don't think its that relevant to this discussion anyway, as I still contend that there really isn't all that much fuel economy difference (perhaps a marginal improvement) between a turbo-4 and V6 of similar power in real world driving.

Having traded in my LNF powered '08 HHR SS for my '12 1LT LFX(both autos), I can attest that under the same real world driving conditions that the fuel economy difference is minimal. I'm observing 1-2 mpg less and the extra 1 gallon capacity difference makes it almost even. Plus with the LNF, you must run 91+ octane, so I see $ operational evening due to fuel grade choice.

[Cpaint9041]

Originally Posted by Larz29

Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.

who doesn't want 200hp.

makes sense for fuel economy but i really hope the camaro doesnt do that. 4 banger mustang would be funny

[ZLWonton]

not sure if its been posted, and thought it funny after reading the "detuning a ZL1" thread, thought this would be a good reason... but a reason why someone would want a 4 cylinder camaro, is because they don't trust their 17yr old kid with too much HP behind the wheel but insist its a great idea to give "said" kid a powerful car.

[mr02Z/28]

Where do you get 200hp ?? I'd love to see a 6th Gen with a 320hp turbo 4 anytime... According to reports the Next Gen Mustang will have a 300+ hp Turbo 4... In a lighter car this could be fun and exciting...



No reason why GM/Chevy can't put together a screaming 4 cylinder Turbo with at least 300hp,,, hell Subaru and Mitsubishi have done it for years and the Mods for those motors and are kinda impressive if you want some big numbers from a 4 banger....

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

No reason why GM/Chevy can't put together a screaming 4 cylinder Turbo with at least 300hp,,, hell Subaru and Mitsubishi have done it for years and the Mods for those motors and are kinda impressive if you want some big numbers from a 4 banger....

If you want to make that comparison, you have to compare those cars to the SS or even the 1LE, as they are not even close to the base Camaro's price range. Dollar for dollar, they fall way short on power. And frankly, those particular turbo 4s are about as efficient (or inefficient) as the V8 Camaro, despite the much smaller size of the cars they are in.

[mr02Z/28]

........ A Turbo 4 cylinder could be an "option" some folks might like to see........ Why not do it ??? if it generates added sales, no one misses out.... For me, I would like to see something different added to the 6th Gen and maybe even a V-6 Performance package like the Mustang has...

[madmax13]

Originally Posted by revychevy

So now we are considering NA 4 cylinder? Why not EV? Toyota seems to sell a lot of them. We can position the Camaro as a Leaf/Prius competitor!

I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by madmax13

I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.

Okay, April Fools day is over.

[revychevy]

Originally Posted by madmax13

I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.

Hahahahaha! I laugh in your general direction. As for everyone who say the V8 is dead, AFM 5.3 liters, turbo 4 bangers rule and such... Z/28 with 427 ci and I heard nothing about AFM or making the Camaro the new weak sister prius gas saving wanna be. Hmmmmmmm....

[madmax13]

Originally Posted by revychevy

Hahahahaha! I laugh in your general direction. As for everyone who say the V8 is dead, AFM 5.3 liters, turbo 4 bangers rule and such... Z/28 with 427 ci and I heard nothing about AFM or making the Camaro the new weak sister prius gas saving wanna be. Hmmmmmmm....

I didn't say the V8 is dead - it isn't going anywhere, and OK, maybe the halo Camaro won't be a hybrid but a strong hybrid V4 40+mpg and/or a hybrid V6 that performs like a V8 would be great and modern options for the platform and for Chevy.

I don't think anyone would be laughing at a V8 hybrid with instant torque..... I'd buy it in an instant..... and those who are dead set against change.....

[madmax13]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Okay, April Fools day is over.

Take me up on it.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by madmax13

Take me up on it.

How about I explain my thinking, since Inet bets never work out.

1) GM management has mandated a 15% decrease in weight, EV and hybrid add weight.
2) GM appears to be focusing on DI/VVT and turbos to get the ecomomy and performance they want. We really haven't see any performance cars hinted at having EV or hybrid technology (look at the announcements for the CTS and ATS).
3) It is too expense for a lower volume car like the Camaro. We are more likely to see it in something like the Cruze first. They sale as many of those a month as they sold Camaros all last year. We'll see a hybrid Cruze long before we see a hybrid Camaro.

That said, I do thing some day we may well see a hybrid Camaro, and maybe even an EV Vette-like vehicle. I just don't see it happing in the next 6-8 years.

[ChevyGuySS]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

If you want to make that comparison, you have to compare those cars to the SS or even the 1LE, as they are not even close to the base Camaro's price range. Dollar for dollar, they fall way short on power. And frankly, those particular turbo 4s are about as efficient (or inefficient) as the V8 Camaro, despite the much smaller size of the cars they are in.

a friend of mine has a evo 10 and he averages around 18 mpg stock, when he installed a intake and a tune it went up to about 20 but me with my HHR SS make about the same power stock for stock about 30 hp different (i also paid 10k less then he did) and i get about 25 average mpg with mods and a tune. those eve and subaru motors are powerhouses but they are just dogs on fuel