01-29-2020, 05:42 PM | #99 | |
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1. This is the second time I've heard from a reviewer the CFTP GT500 is a better all around car than a ZLE. I'm honestly a bit confused by this for a couple of reasons. I'm a crazy person that DDs my ZLE as often as I can, even on dry days here in Minnesota's lovely winter. When I do this, I pick up my elementary aged daughter and her friend sometimes from school in the ZLE. Granted the rear seats aren't usable for anyone other than masochistic adults and children, but it is very useful for people like me with families/kids. My family also likes doing day trips in the ZLE etc, which again obviously neither of these are possible in a CFTP GT500. It is what has kept me from buying any two seater and the reason a lot of us love the performance in the 4 seater ZLE. Plus the ZLEs heated seats/steering wheel are nice that I don't think the CFTP has (I could be wrong). Base GT500 vs a ZL1/ZLE, I completely agree that Ford wins in the better all arounder argument. 2. I know the GT500 tires were shot, but it is rumored the GT500 was in its track alignment and the ZLE wasn't. But, the CFTP also didn't have all of its aero pieces on. I'm curious what Randy thinks if both are on fresh tires, have their optimal track alignment and all aero pieces installed what the outcome would be at Willow, Laguna Seca etc? If you don't have time to hang around the forums and answer questions, I 100% get it and will still like/subscribe to your videos. Edit: I lied, third question, what are we really measuring in this pic/video? |
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As far as the GT500, I think the CF is the faster one in all conditions. I argued before that it would be stupid to pay $20K more and get a car that is slower in the most popular stat. But some (shaffe...surprise surprise) said the Base would be faster. Then it was turned around. So now I don't know which one people consider is the faster. I stopped caring because no matter which 500 loses there will be some BS sad story about how this or that or tires... Quote:
I have nothing against RP. I respect him and this in no way changes my opinion of him. But if I am to offer criticism, I do not think it was right of him to make those statements that the 500 would have definitely won. Nobody knows that for sure regardless of how fast the GT500 was or whatever. It's like half a football team showing up and getting disqualified but then claiming they would have won if the entire team showed up. Again, them being professionals, statements like that should not come out of their mouth. I could see if he said it as his opinion. But to say it as a fact didn't sit right with me. |
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01-29-2020, 05:48 PM | #101 | |
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The lag definately sucks but it is what it is. It'll lose but turn in the faster slip like you said.
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01-29-2020, 05:49 PM | #102 |
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For two laps probably a second or two faster lol
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01-29-2020, 05:51 PM | #103 |
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It's not an actual full second lol
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01-29-2020, 06:23 PM | #105 |
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Maybe Ford knew they weren't gonna beat the ZL1/ZLE so they just gave up and sent the 500 there with the tires it had. I mean, why waste money on tires just for it to lose anyway?
So the GT500 in either form with it's roaring 760 HP has not been able to take away a clear victory against the ZL1/ZLE, the Base/Z51 C8, or the HC/RE. Against the C8s it loses in the quarter mile. Against the ZL1/ZLE it loses around a track and loses from a start to end in the quarter mile...judging by who gets there first. Against the RE it loses from a roll. Each of these cars start off cheaper than even the Base GT500. And it is not the clear winner in any category or stat except for private owner runs on a prepped track in ideal weather conditions. SMH. |
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01-29-2020, 07:20 PM | #107 | |
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I would bet on the ZL1.
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01-29-2020, 08:56 PM | #108 |
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Randy made the best comment ! He said I'm cheap ! And for the money the ZL1/1LE is a bargain. Think about this, for the price of the red eye or GT500 mark ups, you can buy 2 slightly used ZL1 and ZL1/1LE ! Now that's a steal even a blue collar worker can afford one ! I was born in the early 70s and I'm glad I have a chevelle in ZL1/1LE !(Dont forget the oil problems the GT350/R have so I wouldn't want ome myself) It's great to live in these performance times !
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Just watched the video, it looks to me like the Camaro has an aftermarket exhaust or cat back. Also it has Michelin tires on the front and Goodyear’s on the back? 2:47 and 2:52
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Which makes me think that when it takes THAT much to compete with the ZL1 and STILL lose, can we really say these cars are in the same league? These are very significant differences. The 13/14 GT500 was only about 83 HP more than the 5th Gen ZL1 and the pricing was similar. But now the pricing is on a whole different level and the HP difference is 110. With these numbers these cars should not even be close. Much less, the ZL1 actually beating the 500. |
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However...6:57, Goodyears...7:14, Goodyears. |
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