[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Overflow

They don't really need to do anything at all. Mustang has the GT350 right now and apparently is testing a car to go above it. Challenger has the Hellcat which could beat Camaro and Mustang any day as of right now.

The real question you should be asking is, "What is Chevy going to do to catch up?"

They will have an LT4 zl1 / z/28. It will do what the hellcat does best, straight line, and what the gt-350r does best, turn. In one package.

Writing is in the wall. No one expects a ZL1 on year 1.

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Originally Posted by IOMike

If Mustang needs to rely on the GT350, which starts at 53k, to keep up with a 35k SS...well you know how that's going to work out, it won't be pretty. I assume they will be adding DI to the 5.0 to keep up.

GT350 has more power and torque than the SS if I remember correctly.

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Originally Posted by IOMike

They will have an LT4 zl1 / z/28. It will do what the hellcat does best, straight line, and what the gt-350r does best, turn. In one package.

Writing is in the wall. No one expects a ZL1 on year 1.

There will be no ZL1.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by ToolFan66

I'm no fanboy, I hated the refresh 14-15's except the 1LE, and Z/28, other then those two models that car is horrible looking..

The 6th gen blows it away by a mile including the new mustang..

Zezima is a troll. To call anyone who thinks a Camaro is better than a Mustang a fanboy is just silly. Everyone has different taste. I've never owned a Camaro and the 5th gen didn't do it for me. I was here to get info, if the gen6 sucked, I would have gone new Mustang.

I'm I love with what they unveiled yesterday. They literally hit every key point. I've liked a lot of cars, but they always fell short somewhere else.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Overflow

GT350 has more power and torque than the SS if I remember correctly.

They have not released power or weight numbers for the GT350. Just 500+/400+. Could be 510/410 and another 100lbs.

You really think a ZL1 or Z/28 with an LT-4 isn't coming?

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Originally Posted by IOMike

They have not released power or weight numbers for the GT350. Just 500+/400+. Could be 510/410 and another 100lbs.

You really think a ZL1 or Z/28 with an LT-4 isn't coming?

500+ is higher the 455.

I didn't say there will be no LT-4. I didn't say anything about the LT-4 actually. I said there will be no ZL1.

[nikeair042]

Originally Posted by 007s 'Vert

After seeing that abortion of a dashboard and steering wheel in the new Camaro......I dont think Ford or Dodge have anything to worry about. That interior just makes me want to hurl......

...and some folks say the current interior in these things are crappy...

Lol have you seen your interior? The dash is 99% plastic and dead space. I'm not trying to rag on your interior, but obviously you are missing something when almost every person has said "wow" to the interior and agrees it's leaps and bounds better then the 5th gen interior. What's wrong with the steering wheel? You prefer the Cruz steering wheel that the Camaro is currently sporting?

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It's great to see Chevy up the ante on the SS but it's too bad they built all of the improvements into a ugly car IMO. I'm one of those who doesn't think that the 6th Gen SS will keep up with a ScatPack, they are already in the 11s with just DRs. Take a look at the torque curve on a dyno pull for the 392 and you will see why. My guess 12:50s for the SS and still 12:20s for the ScatPack.

Handling wise Chevy has a winner, Straight line acceleration Dodge has a winner, Sales wise Ford has a winner.

Question! Why is it you love referring to dodge hero run's like they are the norm but neglect GM hero run's like they just get lucky?

[cal45]

Originally Posted by Overflow

500+ is higher the 455.

I didn't say there will be no LT-4. I didn't say anything about the LT-4 actually. I said there will be no ZL1.

Chevy will put out a supercharged LT4 Camaro in 17 or 18. Now if you are arguing if they keep the same nameplate - who knows - semantics. They may go the route of the C7 Corvette where they took the supercharged attribute of the ZR1 and blended that into the Z06 to come out with just one high performance C7. They may do the same with the ZL1 & Z/28 platforms and come out with just one (either a ZL1 or Z/28).

I suspect the specs will be similar to the 16 CTS-V with just a tad more HP & TQ to keep the GM Performance food chain intact.

http://www.cadillac.com/v-series/2016-cts-v-sedan.html

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Overflow

500+ is higher the 455.

I didn't say there will be no LT-4. I didn't say anything about the LT-4 actually. I said there will be no ZL1.

But is 400+ more than 455? And what's the weight? Regardless, we should know soon. I bet Ford is saving it for a certain Monday morning to take the wind out of Chevys sails. Gt350 looks nice. But at 10k+ more it should be. I can't afford a 55k car myself.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

I wanted the Mustang to look better for 2015 because I was going to get one and was disappointed. Gen6 Cam has clearly whupped Ford in styling and Dodge is still over 4k lbs. What they gonna do now that Gen 6 Cam is coming??

Can't predict Fiat, but Ford is going to sell a butt-load of Mustangs just like they always do whether there is a Camaro or not. Kudos to GM for retaining factory performance bragging rights.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by IOMike

But is 400+ more than 455? And what's the weight? Regardless, we should know soon. I bet Ford is saving it for a certain Monday morning to take the wind out of Chevys sails. Gt350 looks nice. But at 10k+ more it should be. I can't afford a 55k car myself.

Why are we comparing the SS to the GT350? The SS's direct competition from Ford is the GT. The GT350 was designed to compete with the Z/28, as a track car.

I am glad that Ford is doing some fun things GT350. The flat-plane crank allows the engine to rev above 8K! That's gotta sound awesome. However, in my personal preference, I don't like when engines use very high RPMs to generate HP. When you do, you don't add any torque, and the HP/TQ ratio is off (I prefer 1:1 HP to TQ ratio). In order to compensate, you have to move the torque peak to higher RPM's, which robs you of low end torque. So you will have great HP at higher RPMs, mediocre torque up high, and not enough down low. The mediocre up high torque is offset by being in a lower gear, but the low end will be very lacking in comparison. Now if you used displacement to get the 500+ HP, you would also have 500+ lbft, and plenty of down low torque (and everywhere else for that matter).

The GT350 will be great at the track, but lacking low end torque for daily driving, so it depends on what you plan to do with it. Since it seems to be built as a track car, I think Ford did a great job. But I am not looking for a garage queen, that occasionally sees a track (I just dont' go that often). I want one car that can do it all. The new SS, will do just that.

455HP/455TQ, huge amounts of torque across the entire rev range, 200+ lbs lighter, Alpha Chassis, 8 spd auto that blows away the manual, MRC, Dual Mode Exhaust, Driving Mode Selector that has anything from Snow/Ice to track settings. I can drive this to work everyday, including snow days, give it to my wife for shopping trips, AND set it to track mode for the track days, all for 5 figures less than the GT350???? Again, WHY are we comparing the GT350 with the SS???

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Originally Posted by cal45

Chevy will put out a supercharged LT4 Camaro in 17 or 18. Now if you are arguing if they keep the same nameplate - who knows - semantics. They may go the route of the C7 Corvette where they took the supercharged attribute of the ZR1 and blended that into the Z06 to come out with just one high performance C7. They may do the same with the ZL1 & Z/28 platforms and come out with just one (either a ZL1 or Z/28).

I suspect the specs will be similar to the 16 CTS-V with just a tad more HP & TQ to keep the GM Performance food chain intact.

http://www.cadillac.com/v-series/2016-cts-v-sedan.html

No, I have no doubt that some monster Camaro will be out in a few years, I'm just saying it won't be the ZL1. ZL1 and Z/28 are being combined into one model.

Originally Posted by IOMike

But is 400+ more than 455? And what's the weight? Regardless, we should know soon. I bet Ford is saving it for a certain Monday morning to take the wind out of Chevys sails. Gt350 looks nice. But at 10k+ more it should be. I can't afford a 55k car myself.

Where are you getting 400+? Anything I've ever read about the GT350 (Including from Ford) has said 500+

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Overflow

Where are you getting 400+? Anything I've ever read about the GT350 (Including from Ford) has said 500+

You better go back and check again. Ford has only said 500+ HP and 400+ TQ. Here is the quote directly from Ford's official GT350 webpage:

"Unlike traditional V8s, where the connecting rods are attached to the crankshaft at 90-degree intervals, this design evenly spaces all crank pins at 180-degree intervals to optimize high-speed engine breathing. It is the most powerful naturally aspirated production Ford engine ever, with more than 500 horsepower and more than 400 lb.-ft. of torque."

Again, when you use higher RPM to generate more HP, you don't gain any TQ, and you move your peak HP farther from your peak TQ. Usually, there are other compensations made to move the peak TQ to a higher RPM, which robs you of low end TQ. But since the GT350 is designed as a dedicated track car, that's fine. Not what I want though, but that's just personal preference on my part.