[Trans damm]

The first Gen Z06 was pretty much what the Zl1 Got. The second Gen Z06 brought the aluminum Frame, wide body and tech advancements. Whats the chances the Gen 6 Z will be a greater departure then previous. There was suttle mention of a "wide body" in the works on here from someone credible. I know most cringe but i would be all for a $75k+ Z wth the LT4 and Z28 Aero/weight/brakes/widebody.

[xgnxs]

I don't believe the LSA (engine in ZL1 and CTS-V) was ever in a corvette. C6 Z06 got the awesome LS7. C6 ZR1 got the LS9. The 5th gen Z/28 got the LS7, after the C7 was released and no corvette was being manufactured with it.

I guess my point is that the Z06 and ZL1 weren't really related, at least this last generation. Z/28 and C6 Z06 were related by the LS7, but never at the same time.

We don't know what GM has in store but most of us are guessing the LT4 will go in the ZL1, mostly because it makes sense, and we may or may not see a 6th gen Z/28.

Z/28 is cool and all but they're not exactly selling like hellca...I mean, hotcakes.

I can't see Chevy and GM getting rid of the ZL1 at around $50k and making it a $75k+ only car. But I don't work for them so who really knows.

[Trans damm]

The LSA was never in the vette because the LS7 was already in the Z06 when the LSA came out (people perferred the NA motor) and the LS9 was to expensive to put in the V and Z. The LS7 is not all the impressive in the Camaro as you can see by the Z28 straight line numbers. That being said I do not think there will be any LT4 Camaro in the 50's. Base will be a around A 60k car (maybe just under for zero options) I think they might build the ZL1 and do a track package similar to the vette's Z07. Z07 is a 10K option. Im not seeing two different cars this time around.

[FenwickHockey65]

LSA is just a detuned LS9.

Also the first gen Z06 is from back in 1963 or something.

[Trans damm]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

LSA is just a detuned LS9.

Also the first gen Z06 is from back in 1963 or something.

In a sense, both blown 6.2's. but different internals, different block, and different blower.
and yes "RPO Z06" was from the 60's. but i didnt need to get that technical.

[DenverTaco07]

considering the SS will have some of the current ZL1 features, minus the assumed LT4 of course, I like the idea that we will be blown away by the next ZL1, wide body with new aero - maybe hip vents, new driving modes, better HUD (turn by turn NAV), PDR + more optionals like, Dry sump option, CAI, IDK, maybe offer some of the most common mods folks have done on their current ZL1.

BUT...big BUT...not at the expense of then having to price it too far above current ZL1. Current ZL1 with exposed carb, Nav, Recaro, is what...61.5K MSRP, so yeah...need to keep close to that price point.

Nav should just be standard on anything SS and above.... i mean comon NAV is old tech.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

The first Gen Z06 was pretty much what the Zl1 Got. The second Gen Z06 brought the aluminum Frame, wide body and tech advancements. Whats the chances the Gen 6 Z will be a greater departure then previous. There was suttle mention of a "wide body" in the works on here from someone credible. I know most cringe but i would be all for a $75k+ Z wth the LT4 and Z28 Aero/weight/brakes/widebody.

Originally Posted by Trans damm

The LSA was never in the vette because the LS7 was already in the Z06 when the LSA came out (people perferred the NA motor) and the LS9 was to expensive to put in the V and Z. The LS7 is not all the impressive in the Camaro as you can see by the Z28 straight line numbers. That being said I do not think there will be any LT4 Camaro in the 50's. Base will be a around A 60k car (maybe just under for zero options) I think they might build the ZL1 and do a track package similar to the vette's Z07. Z07 is a 10K option. Im not seeing two different cars this time around.

The ZL1 and Z/28 are built for completely different reasons. The ZR1 and ZO6 follow the same, so you should compare them respectively:

ZR1 to ZL1
ZO6 to Z/28

As for the LS7's choice the in Z/28, it's lighter and higher reving...both pluses for a purpose built track car. Hence why Ford wanted to use a FPC to counter, higher rev ability. Mentioning straight line numbers regarding the Z/28 isn't useful since it was never built to be a street/strip car.

I agree there seems to be less room for another purpose built track car like the Z/28, but with Ford actually building a car to compete against the Z/28....it's too early to tell. If GM announced another NA motor with more power than the GT350's engine, then it would seem obvious there will be a replacement Z/28.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The ZL1 and Z/28 are built for completely different reasons. The ZR1 and ZO6 follow the same, so you should compare them respectively:

ZR1 to ZL1
ZO6 to Z/28

If GM announced another NA motor with more power than the GT350's engine, then it would seem obvious there will be a replacement Z/28.

Would you consider that the new Z06 is now more of a ZL1 being that it is FI, and also does well on the track?

Regarding new NA, I think you have to be correct because there simply is no NA replacement for LS7 right?, which i think is already confirmed dead after this year?

I know one camp says the two (Z28, ZL1) will merge like the Z06 and ZR1 has apparently done, i just hate to see the price if this is the case.

[FenwickHockey65]

GM already said they couldn't do a new LS7 due to emissions.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Would you consider that the new Z06 is now more of a ZL1 being that it is FI, and also does well on the track?

Regarding new NA, I think you have to be correct because there simply is no NA replacement for LS7 right?, which i think is already confirmed dead after this year?

I know one camp says the two (Z28, ZL1) will merge like the Z06 and ZR1 has apparently done, i just hate to see the price if this is the case.

The C7 ZO6 went with the LT4 because they couldn't hit the power target they had with a NA motor and pass emissions from what others have said. To me that means they didn't just go to build a "supercar" Vette like the previous ZR1. After hearing Randy Pobst talk about it, they are probably approaching the limits of what they can do with the car's current setup in terms of handling. This might give some basis for the rumors of a mid engine Vette, but we have all heard that rumor before. I believe a turbo V8 is most likely in the works to hit higher power outputs and meet emissions. That would be the perfect motor for a ZR1 or mid engine Vette. It would also be ideal for catching the GT500 and Hellcats in the coming years.

Correct the LS motors are EOL. And just because the Corvette team couldn't get a NA motor to meet their power target for the Z06 doesn't mean we won't have a NA motor to beat the GT350. 550-600hp is all we are needing if that.

If there is a merge, there will definitely be a jump in price, but maybe they can spread it over lots of options.

[IOMCamaroSS]

Another 70k+ Z when the current ones aren't selling? Doubt it.. but what do I know.

[Trans damm]

I see a $60K Base LT4 Z and a $10k "Track pack" Last gen Z's couldnt do both. The new platform should be able to accomplish both.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 96CamaroSS

Another 70k+ Z when the current ones aren't selling? Doubt it.. but what do I know.

The Z/28 was never supposed to sell in large volumes. It was more of an engineering exercise than anything. The Z/28 is what the Camaro engineers can do when they are given free reign.

I highly doubt the next gen Z will be $70k base. It won't be as extreme as the Z/28. The Z06 stayed affordable so I would expect the 6th gen Z to be in the same ballpark as the current Z.

[RJZJR]

Need a larger cid lt4 engine... SS396...Easy to accomplish since they already have a crankshaft in production for this...I think even a patent applied for hummm..that would make a ss camaro with a smaller engine cid that could pass the fuel restraints the government has imposed....and then friends we have the SS396 BACK..JMO... seems like sliced bread to me...